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    F-22 incident?

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    I am really surprised at the reaction to what going over the top really is. My point is that this thread is really stupid to argue about what the verbiage of what some General said…who cares. The point is that instead of being thankful that the gates are guarded with men/countries with guns and being grateful for that protection, this SS guy from Belgium has the arrogance to disrespect the very people that allow him to live as he does. To bad that makes him uncomfortable. Who's money do yo think it was that built the Raptor anyhow, And who is paying the bill for the US to be over their to keep the Oil flowing to western Europe free from Iranian disruption? Tell me who is it?? It is not the Belgian Air Force and I mean no disrespect in saying that, as they are a top notch force flying American F-16 and trained in America as we train American pilot. And let's not forget that America paid for the jets and the training as part of our NATO commitment. That means the American tax payer paid the bill, of which I am one. Wounldn't you have been better of saying "man, I am glad those jets are on patrol". It

    Les, I will fly anywhere to meet you in front of any audience to debate history, especially American History, so swearing at me with your dollar signs is not going to get under my skin, I love you just the same and it makes you look small and uneducated. I did not mention Canada, a country where I have many relatives who served and died as well, because this thread was regarding a Belgians comments of American Military men and women. I think you need to really go back and read what I said, as you expanded the topic beyond the discussion. No where did I say America did it alone, but it is a historical fact that the war could not have been won, and won in the time frame it was without the industrial might of the United States, and a small part Canada being left alone to build the tools the descimated Europeans needed to fight with. Let us see, before America entered the war, Hitler controlled all of western Europe,, And people on fishing boats were called in to rescue the British Army at Dunkirk. Britain survived the battle of Britain through the shear will of the English people, the tenacity of the RAF, and the leadership of Winston Churchill….All under the protection of al mighty God, because only God could have made Hitler make the errors that he did. Canada was in the was then, how were all of the allies doing at that point? Were you winning? You were just glad the German invasion was not coming across the channel. As for the Russians, the US supplied the Soviets with more planes and tanks and truck than the their own factories could. intact they flew the much prized P-39/P400 to victory it was so highly regarded by the Soviet Air Force.

    Answer this for me Les, Who rebuilt Europe after the war? Not just the winners, but the losers as well???? Think now Les……and what country burdened 99% of the defense costs of Europe to deter a Soviet invasion of western Europe for 50 years? Who was that Les ????? It was not Canada that is for sure. Not to say Canada was not playing a part in things, but without the US there is no Victory….. period.

    Les, you make the comment (OK, so yes we can all be a$$holes about a history NONE OF US HERE FOUGHT IN OR LIVED THROUGH! ) Here you are dead wrong. My father fought in WWII and was wounded and died when I was young partially due to his service. I have two cousins who grew up and never knew their father, who was a navigator with the 8th on B-17s, and their 13 grandchildren have never known a grandpa because of his sacrifice over European counties. You obviously have no grasp of which you speak and shame on you sir, I suggest to you that the respect and gratitude does not end just because the generation that made the sacrifice is most passed on, as it is their children and grandchildren that now carry on the American tradition of Honor and Service.

    Waco - really nothing more to say, thanks for your help. I just had to respond to this misguided youth.

    Johnopfor - Hey man………how bad did it stink!!!!!!

    You all have a good evening. Remember we are all on the same team.

    I'm just going to reply one last time and than i'm going to drop this because it is too stupid to waste any more time on it.

    You seem to be thinking that the US protects all the world and therefor we should be gratefull. The fact is, you created a world of chaos and are now trying to fight that chaos and act like a hero. So don't even think i owe you any respect for that.

    I do however respect all the soldiers who fought in WW2. This includes the US, but also all other nations especially those who fought it from the start. So would i have respect for your father who fought in WW2. Yes. Should i therefor have respect for you. No. You didn't fight there, so why would i be grateful to you? You wouldn't want me blaiming you when a relitave of yours kills a person, now would you. If not, than you don't get any of the praise and glory if they do something right. You seem to think that because people from your country have done a great act in the past that i am somehow for ever in debt with all americans? Like i pointed out before, should i be greatful to a random drugdealer on the streets just because he's an american? If your answer to that question is 'yes', than i advise you to seek counseling. Also you seem to think that because of WW2 i can never call a american citizin a liar. (BTW, i'm not saying he's a liar. He, in my opinion, embellished the story).

    Now as for the topic at hand, again, i don't claim that an F-22 can't stalk a F4. I just claim that it sounds like the story was embellished by adding details that don't sound realistic to me.

    Now that's it for me. Back to modelling.

    F-22 incident?

    in General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by streetstream

    SS Actually, the fact that you even think that the US keeps the world safe is sad to hear. Also, in ww2, the sovjets and British did way more than the US did. If the Sovjets hadn't kicked #ss on the eastern front, D-Day would have been a failure.

    Do a little research, It was America Industrial might that supplied all of the allies with weapons of every sort, mostly built by women and men physically unable or to old to fight, that made it possible for the allies to win the war. It was made possible by the hundred of thousands of merchant marines who serves and risked their lives in convoys to get this critical supplies to Europe before officially entering the was that made it even possible for the US to have England to fight from.

    SS As for showing respect, i will always have respect for people who fought in the war. Some how i don't think you did that, so i don't owe you anything. And claiming that i'm anti-american becuase i don't believe one story an american said is just dumb. So don't start with the whole saving your butt again, because it is people like you why americans get a bad rep. You always brag about the fact that you won the war, but it was a team effort. The same for badmouthing the French because they surrendered. One difference americans had, you had no bombs falling on civilians (except for during pearl harbor). New york was never bombed by the germans, now was it? That's why it is easy not to surrender when your civilians aren't in immediate danger.

    As for you being anti american, I didn't say that, but many here, including myself have said you sound sound like you are. You are making a useless point over language that is senseless. As for me, let's put our card on the table, I am disability retired Air Force Veteran, I have two uncles buried in French cemeteries from WWII. One form the invasion, and one from the Bulge. All told, 46 members of my family have served in combat with the US military since the Revolution from England, 21 have died in combat. Most died in the Civil war. Some from each side.

    Now it sucks to have bombs drop on your head, but that makes it all the more reason to be tankful and to show respect for the country and people that won your country back with blood twice, keep it safe, and did not occupy it as an invader. You are free to say what you want, do your drugs as you please , have your whore houses , and run your own affairs. The respect I mention is not for me, but for the country and for those who serve, and at last count that is all Americans. It is respect for not being bombed so we could supply the English and the Russians, and lets not Forget beating the Japanese at the same time defeating the Nazis, with materials to win the war. It is to bad that your country is the battle ground of Europe, but we ended that, and you cannot respect that? If you want to debate history, please check your facts first. Now have great day!

    You actually believe i should show respect to all americans because some americans came over here and fought a battle. The drugdealer around the corner? Show him respect. A guy who beats his wife, but is an American? Show him respect. You are out of your mind. The same about what family members of you did. You didn't do that so you can't begin to act like i owe your family. And as for your facts checking, what year did the US enter the war? People fought that war before your involvement too. Also the germans lost about 3,8 million soldiers. More than 2,1 million are at the eastern front. Check that for a fact.

    F-22 incident?

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    Posted · Edited by streetstream

    Streetstream - I hope you are enjoying yourself, living in the free Belgium you do today, protected by the very instruments yet bashing the very people/systems that keep you safe. You see, the US kicked the Germans out of your country not once but twice, and prevented the Soviets from making your country into their warm water port and resort for some 50 years. It seems to me you need to show some respect to those who won for you these freedoms with BLOOD!! Freedoms your anti Americanism could never have done on their own. Would the Nazis or the Soviets be as congenial as the members here to you comments? Perhaps you would love to speak your mind in one of those societies when they existed, or Iran or North Korea ??? Oh, by the way you are welcome, and if need be, we would come save your sorry butt again!

    Have great night! 271.gif

    Actually, the fact that you even think that the US keeps the world safe is sad to hear. Also, in ww2, the sovjets and British did way more than the US did. If the sovjets hadn't kicked #ss on the eastern front, D-Day would have been a failure.

    As for showing respect, i will always have respect for people who fought in the war. Some how i don't think you did that, so i don't owe you anything. And claiming that i'm anti-american becuase i don't believe one story an american said is just dumb. So don't start with the whole saving your butt again, because it is people like you why americans get a bad rep. You always brag about the fact that you won the war, but it was a team effort. The same for badmouthing the French because they surrendered. One difference americans had, you had no bombs falling on civilians (except for during pearl harbor). New york was never bombed by the germans, now was it? That's why it is easy not to surrender when your civilians aren't in immediate danger.

    So am i greatful that ww2 was won? Sure. Am i greatful to some guy who happens to have the same nationality as heroes in the past? Hell no.

    Now in conclusion, yes i have difficulty believing a story that sounds like it came from a movie. That is simply my opinion. Now if you have a diffent opinion than me, fine. I'll accept that. Now if you don't won't me posting any opinion like that again, contact the webmaster and ask him to make it a general rule not to offend an american.

    And one more time, i'm not saying an F-22 couldn't do that, i'm only saying in my opinion that it sounds like the story has been boosted to make it sound cooler.

    F-22 incident?

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    I don't think streetstream's issue with the 'story' is disbelief. Seems more like disdain.

    Like a mentioned before, i'm not arguing that the F-22 can't stalk a F4. Heck, if a purpose built 90's plane can't do that to a 50's relic it would be pretty sad. I'm stating that adding the conversation that supposedly took place sounds over the top. Admit that most people emmidiately pictured Top Gun in mind. And if you don't think that movie is way over the top, god help you.

    Again, flying beneath a enemy plane is plausible, yet stupid. Having that conversation: less plausible.

    F-22 incident?

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    Posted

    You seem so hell bent on not believing this anecdotal story and that i'ts some sort of lie based on lies that run all the way to the top of the USAF ... and for what ? This story never even made it to the mainstream media here in the States ... The Air Force has nothing to prove here ...

    -Gregg

    You seem to ignore my request to explain the story about Jessica lynch. There too was an amazing story about a dairing rescue and amazing bravery. What happend there?

    That's Always the mistake made in PR. Adding too much sauce.

    If they just told the truth right away, people still would be amazed at the amount of effort done to rescue her. But that wasn't enough now, was it?

    F-22 incident?

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    Posted

    That the CSAF knowingly and willingly lied when he casually mentioned to the AFA Convention that it was an F-22 that intercepted an F-4 because...wait, why did he lie about it? You never did tell us that.

    Guess I need to call the Pentagon. "Hey everyone, call off the Great Raptor/Phantom Interception Conspiracy of 2013. Some Belgian on an internet modeling forum figured out that since you didn't release the video to the public, it means you're obviously lying."

    Well done, Sherlock!

    Why would you lie about an event that makes you look badass?

    Why did the pentagon lie abou Jessica Lynch?

    But hey, keep believing everything you are told. That's the way they like it.

    F-22 incident?

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    Posted

    Funny to see how you keep claiming that these are facts because the 'Chief of fracking Staff of the AF' said it. Wow, and we all know that a person it that possition can't ever lie. Like a i said many times before, all you have is stories.

    Just so this doesn't string along, you can believe your story, and i will believe mine.

    F-22 incident?

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    Posted · Edited by streetstream

    So....yeah. You did call this "B.S."

    There was no shooting involved and pilots don't go out on press tours or screen HUD footage every time they intercept a Bear. This wasn't "leaked" to the press. The CSAF used this as an example in a speech he gave to the AFA convention. Otherwise, it would have never seen the light of day.

    Now, you've already accused the CSAF of lying, so why would we expect you to believe the pilot's testimony? USAF doesn't release F-22 HUD footage due to classification limitations and restrictions. And even if they did released photos or video, you'd be claiming that they were faked.

    I'm not sure how this "sounds too good to be true?" thing you have makes any sense. You don't believe that a plane can fly up behind and below another one, get close underneath to see its load and then pull alongside it?

    nasa_skyrocket_in_flight_with_f_86_chase_plane_poster-rb0b686d2cddc414ca93bb42c1d7f3289_79d3j_8byvr_512.jpg

    You worry of the a danger of a mid-air, yet bemoan the fact that no photos were released? Perhaps the pilot was focusing more on flying his plane than taking instagram pix?

    And we're STILL waiting on that proof that JCVD really did that epic split on two lorries moving in reverse!

    I have many...

    - Beer before liquor, never been sicker.

    - Speak softly and carry a lot of guided missiles.

    - Always wear freshly laundered or pressed clothing to work

    - People who live in glass houses are idiots

    - Three things you never go cheap on: birth control, toilet paper and ice cream

    It's real easy to claim things and than not release HUD footage out of clossification limitations.

    I also never said planes can't fly close and underneat each other. Otherwise aireal refuelling would never work. I said it isn't smart to do it underneath a plane that doesn't know you are there.

    About the pictures, how do you even know what i would claim? You build your case on a story. You think you can't convince people if the story came with HUD footage and recordings of the pilots communicating?

    We have different opinions on this. BTW, i never claimed it couldn't be done, i think a f-22 might have intercepted a F4 (big whoop), but it is easy to ad a layer of Sugar to a story to make it sound bad fool (wich fighter pilots seem te like to be).

    One last thing, stop with your JCVD BS wich has nothing to do with anything.

    F-22 incident?

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    You're going to be one anyway.

    Never mind that F-22s have been deployed to the UAE, only six flight minutes from Iranian waters, on numerous occasions since early 2012, maintaining an almost permanent presence in the region...

    F-22s-UAE.jpg

    The first reports of an Iranian fighter being "advised" to back away from an MQ-1 were first released in March, and even then there was speculation that an F-22 was involved. A few months prior, two Su-25s attempted to shoot down another MQ-1, so there was incentive for the Predators to have some sort of escort, either by F-18s from whatever carrier was deployed at the time, or F-22s deployed to UAE. An F-22, unseen by the crews of the F-4 and - most importantly - Iranian GCI - appearing out of nowhere, it's pilot saying "you really ought to go home" sends a very powerful message.

    Now, I could say that Rhodey confirmed the incident to me a while back, but you've already brazenly declared to the world that - based only on your opinion and without a single shred of evidence - this is "B.S." and "propaganda" so you're not going to believe me anyway without "proof."

    So, why the hell should I waste my time trying to prove something you not only are unwilling to refuse to accept in the first place, but you have put forth a claim of "B.S." with zero evidence to back it up.

    Instead, YOU need to convince us that the Muscles from Brussels really did pull off this stunt without CGI help. GO.

    First of all, i did not say it is BS, i said that it sounds like BS.

    Now let me make a few arguments here. The story made it to the press, so somehow they wanted it to make it to the press. Than i ask myself, why won't they show a nice video to go along with it? Or a tape recording of the conversation. You're only basing it on stories and the fact that F-22's are in the area. I'm not saying that an F-22 couldn't do it, i'm saying i have my doubts that it happend like desciped. Another thing, why risk flying beneath a F4? If it descended into you, you would have a collision and an international incident on your hands, never mind the lose of a very expensive jet. For what? To proof you can defeat a plane that is 40 years older?

    I live by one rule, if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. And this sound too good to be true.

    BTW, i'm not in anyway saying that the F22 is a bad aircraft. It really is a great plane. But when stories like this start flooting up (and no matter what you say, unless you have a tape of it, it still is no more than that, a story) i get suspicious.

    F-22 incident?

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    Posted

    *sigh* No, sadly, it's true; it really happened. Top Gun has a LOT to answer for.

    Not to be an overly pedantic A""hole, but how do you know that? And please don't say it's because it was released to the press and the pilot gave an interview.

    A350-900 and A330-300

    in Airliner Modeling

    Posted · Edited by streetstream

    Today i got my A350-900 and 2 A330-300's.

    First findings: No matter how many times i tried convincing myself that the A350 is a big plane, i was still surprised to see how big it is compared to the A330.

    And a second thing that surprised me is how huge the engines are compared too the A330.

    F106 proof of existence in 1060 AD

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    Posted

    The Fred Shammas feature on homepage dated 18th October clearly shows the the USA was really ahead of its time , this F106 was obviously

    ready for action as the promo says in the years of 1060.

    I AM IMPRESSED !!!

    I noticed this too, but seeing what they are trying to do for the late Fred Shammas, i didn't know if it would be appropriat ton make a joke. And i'm not saying this to shoot you down, i actually don't know if it could be seen as disrespectful.

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