Els, thanks for the complement, being good really has nothing to do with it. Being patient and the willingness to experiment is everything with these guys. Like I said in my previous post, I worked on them both for two weeks. I just kept trying stuff until I liked how they looked. I would paint some, drybrush, do washes and highlighting until I was happy with their look. I would do something, let it dry, and come back the next day to do a little more. Rome wasn't built in a day......