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  1. Here is a nice image of a preflight on the rotorhead showing what that CE was talking about when he mentioned double mast boots on the UH-1C/M gunship. One above the scissors and sleeves and one below from the swash plate up to the scissors sleeves
  2. Ray, I've got a bunch of 35mm slides from Operation Deep Freeze 1963-64 with those first Hueys from Ft. Lewis. That was in the bunch. He was also at An Khe later on in 1966. They are scanned in at 4416x2944
  3. I do not remember the clever old CE I got this from but I have a painting document and this is just one part of it. Huey colors - Rotors, rotor head, scissor, push rods, links, swash plate and mast Viet-nam era UH-1 pylons (UH-1B,C, D, H, and M) were all painted roughly similar. Components were mixed and matched with out regard to color. So you could have a pair of "drive links" for example of which one was that gloss light gray with the other being just anodized and left that metallic silver color. Mast boots varied from orange to red to black. The slicks (D&H) had one boot above the scissors and sleeve assy, while the guns (C&M) had two, one above the scissors and sleeves, and one below from the swash plate up to the scissors sleeves. The later protected the "uniball" Teflon coated bearing surface on which the swash plate rode. D&H used a "u-joint" arrangement not unlike that found on an auto drive shaft. Swashplates were generally just coated and left to the elements. Some however, were painted that light gray during overhaul or repair. Swashplate and support assemblies were generally treated alike (being one assembly.) The mast is a steel alloy and is plated in a process known as Cadmium Plating giving it that silver-goldish color. The same can be said for the Yoke (center) of the main rotor hub. Blade grips, that part of the hub where the main rotor blade is attached to the hub is aluminum and was almost always gloss light gray. On the guns, a plastic dust deflector was attached to the leading edge of the grip assembly, this was left it's natural primer grey looking color. (Similar to the color of the floor and some sound proofing blankets on the bulkhead.) Stab bar is subject to all of the above being made up both steel (outer bar and counter wights), and aluminum, the inner bow shaped pieces being aluminum. Hardware was often replaced on the pylon at the periodic inspection (100 hr) and maybe either gold Cadmium or Steel Gray/Silver color. Tail Rotor as above Yoke the gold Cadmium or Steel Gray/Silver color. Grips are painted the gloss lt gray. Huey trivia...For maintenance purposes a small dot of paint was placed on each component Red on one side, White on the other denoting the left and right side of the rotor system. Typical write-up might be "Red scissor arm has axial play." or "White mixing lever has radial play." (We were lucky the crane drivers had Red, White, Blue, Yellow, and Black to contend with....) UH-1B HAL-3 Seawolves UH-1D/H
  4. Ray nailed it with that Arctic Huey. I love these paint scheme as well. Here are the first Hueys in the Arctic from Operation Deep Freeze scanned 35mm film slide. Here is what the turbine looks like before they put a warmer on it to thaw it out
  5. That is too cool about the OD on the models being affected by the varying light spectrum as well. Also I'm highly impressed with that OD you mixed with the blue for the early High Vis Hueys.
  6. Thanks Huey CE, I was editing it when you posted this. You'll see a lot of my posts will usually be edited. I had a mild Stroke in October at just 44. Sometimes my memory recall is there...most of the time it happens only after I've posted something or said something. Bummer but there it is.
  7. It's outstanding CAD work either way Floyd. From someone that's also 3D scaled for Flight Simulator I know the pain involved in trying to get it right. That tailboom antenna would work for someone wanting to build out one of the Italian Hueys working in Afghanistan. Of course it's more work on everyone to include everything on that old CAD drawing but offered the modeler some great options for the price. Ray, at least one of the TOW NUH-1Bs ended up at Fort Hunter Liggett CA in 1974-75 as evidenced by this horrible Kodak texture print from Steve Murphy who was working the system there. He could not recall the number on it but there were only two at that it's gotta be one or the other.
  8. Hmm, I was sort of hoping for this version because it's just a matter of leaving off post-war mods and there's even a German Dornier built Huey peculiarity there for those wanting to build Heer Hueys in German colors. Oh well. It's still nice someone is doing a new kit in any scale to begin with.
  9. It's always an interesting question when it comes up. Time of day and weather are a large factor on appearance of shade of OD. Same UH-1M 64-14185 on Redstone Arsenal, AL - I took the images on two different days at different times of day. Which shade of OD is it? The darker OD Gloss or lighter OD? The top image matches Ray's mix of blue added to standard OD (I'm guessing FS 34087 to darken it). Color chips I made in Photoshop using the Federal Standard colors for the Huey early to mid/late war.
  10. Ray, an interesting observation about that UH-1C 64-14101 Bearcat 4 profile is the missing towel rack antenna just in front of the doghouse on the USAAM image. This was eventually resolved as evidenced by the Helena Airport pole display where the towel rack antenna is clearly present. Also 540-B 63-8684 has the short mast prevalent on the UH-1A. It's my understanding that no 540-B made it to Vietnam and they were a test bed only. Like you said the B model production stopped in '65. I absolutely agree that 'Have Gun Will Travel' will be a standard B model. If it got the tail mod in Vietnam I would not be too surprised although with this unit Im not seeing that for whatever reason. (Supply most likely, I have misplaced some slides of the boneyard at An Khe - they went through gunships there) Here are a couple of images from SSG Russell Warriner who was with C Battery ARA from 67 to 69! They were fielding both the UH-1B and UH-1C during his tour. The interesting thing here is that the Charlies 2/20 ARA got have the old Bell mouth intake. The new kits had to make their way to Vietnam and disbursement by unit was willy nilly. In SSG Warriner's slide of an Alpha Co 2/20 UH-1C they are also fielding the old Bell Mouth Intake. This is 1967 and 2/20 ARA was still waiting on the new improved particle separator. In 1966 it is certain UH-1B 64-14040 Have Gun Will Travel will sport the Bell mouth intake. In this slide taken in 1968 you can see an old B model with M3 system still flying with 2/20 ARA. This is 1968 and 2/20 hasn't swapped out the tail or moved to the newer armaments either. Another from SSG Warriner showing stock B models in 1967 Here is a nice overhead from one of the slides in my collection of 64-03607 that shows lots of those features Ray mentioned. Note though that this B got the improved particle separator. Also no high vis markings flat OD 43087 Love the kit bashing you are doing. Way to go.
  11. Every illustration or reference to 64-14040 'Have Gun Will Travel' 1st Platoon, Battery C, 2nd Battalion, 20th Aerial Artillery, 1st Cavalry Division Airmobile, An Khe, RVN 1966 shows a standard B model in all respects. I've never seen it otherwise or seen photographic evidence that 2/20 ARA in 1966 was upgrading to Charlie model tails at that stage in RVN. Note illustrator Don Greer got the tail number wrong in "Airmobile: The Helicopter War in Vietnam" 1984 but corrected it in the "Walk Around UH-1 Huey Gunships" 2004 both by Squadron Signal. The late Pete Harlem did some of this research already when he published "The Huey: UH-IC Crewchief 1" in 1985 when he owned The Cobra Company "Bell had experimented with a rigid rotor head on its YUH-lB (Model 533) test bed aircraft. The hub was much simpler in most all respects when compared to the standard Huey hub. It was stronger, required less maintenance, and provided the performance needed in the high-speed test aircraft. The same format rotor hub was fitted to a modified YUH-10 in 1964 and allowed this aircraft to break several world records for speed. The new hub on the YUH-10 was called the 540 Doorhinge rotor hub because the pivoting mechanism that provided blade pitch resembled a doorhinge. The hub worked so well that it was decided to add it to the UH-1B line. To accommodate the new hub other changes were needed. The 540 rotor used 27 inch chord blades instead of the B model's 21 inch blades. The rotor diameter was unchanged at 44 ft 3.2 in, but with the bigger blades it yielded more lift. The new 540 B models would also get a more powerful engine since the new rotor would take the extra horses. The T53-L-5 (made by Lycoming) of the current Bs would be replaced by the T53-L-9 then in use in the UH-1D; ultimately the T53-L-11 would be used. With larger, heavier blades and 1100 shaft horsepower the new B would have a different torque curve, therefore the new Huey would need a different vertical stabilizer to offset the torque increase, and Bell added larger synchronized elevators. The new engine was a bit thirstier so more fuel was required in order to maintain loiter time. Fuel capacity would be changed from 165 gallons of JP-4 to 243 and this, plus the additional armament the new rotor could pull, added to the gross weight. For an increase in basic weight of about 300 pounds (4523 to 4827) the new B had increased gross weight by 1000 lbs (8500 to 9500 lbs). The resulting aircraft looked like the UH-1B in most respects except for the new tail boom with large cambered fin and enlarged elevators . In fact, Bell would continue to refer to the new Huey as a UH-lB even after the Army changed its designation to UH-lC. Initial production batches carried the title UH-1B in their data block stencil even though they were UH-lC in all respects. Some confusion exists on the part of Huey spotters since many photo captions misidentify the UH-1C as a UH-1B. Compounding the problem is that the B model suffered a number of crashes because of tail boom failures, and many received new booms after 1965. These were often replaced with Charlie model booms so it became impossible to use the enlarged fin as a recognition factor. The larger sync elevators of the C model have an inverted airfoil shape when viewed on end while the B had symmetrical section elevators with a spanwise spoiler. Most B models with a C tail boom retain the early elevators. Serial numbers assigned to the UH-lC are listed in table 1. TABLE 1: UH-lC SERIAL NUMBERS 64-14101 thru 14191 U.S . Army (USA) 64-17621 " 17623 Royal Australian Navy (RAN) 65-9416 " 9564 USA 65-12738 " 12744 USA 65-12759 " 12764 USA 65-12772 RAN 65-12846 RAN 65-12853 thru 12856 Royal Norwegian Air Force 66-491 " 745 USA 66-15000 11 15245 USA 66-15358 USA 66-15360 thru 15361 USA" 64-14040 would be a standard B IMHO.
  12. Good video and a popular song. I have it on my playlist along with 'Let it all hang out' by The Hombres, 'Bad Moon Rising' by CCR (Favorite of the gunship platoon of the 120th AHC Razorbacks), and more. The Huey will always be my first love. I literally hugged the nose of one as a kid. Image from Gary Holmes TF-116 US Navy Seawolf flyover
  13. That's right 11bee. Also in case you're interested Bravo 6 makes killer set of Vietnam helicopter pilots inflight Kit B6-35073 They are in two piece Nomex, APH5 flight helmets, chickenplate on, one wears jungle boots the other all leather. I believe Bravo 6 does it the same way Norbert does. 3D scan of 1:1 then scaled down
  14. Here is another image showing Lt. Rick Schwab wearing the survival vest over his Chicken Plate body armor. He is also in two piece Nomex Rick was with C 2/17 as Condor 47. Two piece Nomex (shirt and trousers, Flying, Hot Weather, Fire Resistant) introduced 1969 Nomex gloves ( Flyer's Gloves, Nylon, Fire Resistant) introduced mid-1968 Chicken-Plates ( Body Armor, Fragmentation, Small Arms Protective, Aircrewman) mid-1968 Survival vests. SRU-21/P (Vest, Survival, Nylon, Mesh) best I could find was mid 60s
  15. The survival vest was US issued gear to flight crews. Just like there was initially a shortage of two piece Nomex to go around so too with this survival vest. In this image from the 189th Assault Helicopter Company showing Dave Speer taken at Kontum Airfield in Dec 68 you can see it's features clearly. There was a packing order to what went into the vest. Notice that while Mr. Speer got the survival vest he is not in two piece Nomex. Instead he is wearing 3rd Pattern jungle fatigues which were the most common issue of that type. I've never seen the survival vest worn under the chicken plate. Remember those pockets on the vest are packed with things to keep you alive should you be shot down...signal mirror, first aid, potable water in packs, matches, etc. You could wear them over the chicken plate easily. Not the other way around.