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45 minutes ago, RichB63 said:
... narrow yellow streamers strewn about the seats. Are they part of the network of safety pins?
Yes - seven pins interconnected by the "streamers".
Gene K
Is the intense heat keeping you inside at your bench with the F-4B?
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After decades (literally) of admiring outstanding F-4 models on sites like ARC, there are consistently some Red Flags that pop up - items that are misunderstood or inadvertently neglected ... or ignored. These items include flap/slat/slot confusion, as well as configuration misconfiguration ... as trailing edge flaps lowering without corresponding leading edge lowering.
Of course the average modeller can't be expected to know all the idiosyncrasies of each aircraft they model, and in this regard, there are outstanding "Phantomologists" who freely share their expertise on ARC ... folks like Ben Brown, Tommy Thomason, Scott Wilson, and a host of others.
One area that is rarely modeled is the little red bag that should be atop the ejection seats. This subject came up in the recent thread that discussed the configuration for a parked F-4G:
That discussion applied to USAF Phantoms, and it logically appears to also apply to USN and foreign Phantoms, for example :
Note that the Little Red Bag is sometimes in view even if the seat is fully or only partially pinned:
So, as opposed to Remove Before Flight flags, I suggest adding the Little Red Bag to any static Phantom model.
Thoughts?
Gene K
P.S. That's Christina Olds (Robin's daughter) in the cockpit for a photo-op before her flight with the 53rd at the AF Academy. The article link is broken but here's another picture of her (standing on the seat) ... with the bag visible on the front seat.
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On 2/26/2023 at 11:03 PM, nspreitler said:
The panel behind the pilot I printed from a file from Doog’s Models and added some lead wire.
Enjoying threbuild, thanks.
Can you post a link to the Doog's Models file, please. I cant find it on his site.
Thanks,
Gene K
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16 hours ago, ya-gabor said:
Will modellers be interested in this kit and in all the extras???
Not sure about "all the extras" since the kit looks very complete, but you sure sold me on the kit, Gabor. Thanks for such a comprehensive thread!
Gene K
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On 7/15/2023 at 2:18 PM, Chris L said:
We also had a small bag for the seat safety pins which can sometimes be seen on top of the ejection seat when the aircraft is waiting on the aircrew .
As an aside, that small red bag was for the seven safety pins used on the seat. The crew chief would, before the crew arrived, pull six pins leaving the face curtain pin in - a safety measure to prevent the face curtain being inadvertently pulled (as by a crewmember getting into the cockpit
as he stepped on the seat). After the crewmembers were strapped in, they, or the crew chief, would pull that seventh pin, put it into the bag (some folks counted to make sure all seven pins were there), and store the bag in the cockpit. After landing, the pin was reinserted by the crewmember (or crew chief) before exiting the cockpit. (Some crewmembers were anxious to get fresh cooling air on their sweaty flight suits so would be unstrapped and exiting before the crew chief climbed up.)👍Gene K
Tom,
The point is, if your F-4G doesn't have a crew strapped in (or a maintainer doing checks), each seat should have 7 pins in it, or a well weathered little red bag resting on top ... with one pin inserted for the face curtain:
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Good looking bird, John. Interesting paint job on the ECM pod - I hadn't seen that before.
Appreciate the detailed narrative ... and the job you did over there.
Gene K
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10 hours ago, Buckmeister said:
The photo in that manual probably dates from 1958 when NATOPS manuals for the F4H-1 were being created.
To hopefully close this diversion ... that was originally posted in jest:
The photo could, I suppose , date back to 1958 - but the early F4H-1 used the McDonnell seat.
FYI the page I posted comes from T.O. 1F-4C-1 Flight Manual, USAF Series F-4C, F-4D, and F-4E Aircraft dated 1 October 1970 updated to Change 4 30 June 1971.
For balance, here's the corresponding page from NAVAIR 01-245FDD-1, Flight Manual, Navy Model F-4J and F-4S Aircraft, dated 1 May 1975 Change 7 1 May 1985.
And to get back on track with the F-4B and the seat pack on the Tamiya kit:
NAVWEPS O1-245FDB-1.1 NATOPS Flight Manual, Navy Model F-4B(F4H-1) Aircraft, dated 15 December 1962
Volume I
I choose to use the cushion without the NO STEP.
Gene K
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7 hours ago, Craig Baldwin said:
Can't wait!!!
Thanks, Craig. Looks like I may need to increase the quantity on my reserve at HLJ.
Gene K
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18 hours ago, GW8345 said:
Seat cushions were often replaced (manufactured) at the squadron level due to wear and tear ... .
From crewmembers stepping on them?
(Just kidding!)
Gene K
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5 hours ago, IAGeezer said:
So... Quinta didn't square you away, Gene?
No, Quinta didn't square me away ...
they BLEW me away. That's why I have so many of their sets.👍
Gene K
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I am privileged to have seen pics of Kevin's beautiful model, so I hope he shares it here!
Gene K
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Fantastic informational thread, as usual, Gabor.
I've been trying to stay with 1/72, but you convinced me that I need this model!
Gene K
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On 4/27/2021 at 7:38 PM, Curt B said:
And, hopefully, Quinta will come up with a cockpit set for this model soon... .
The Quinta set has (of course)been available, and it looks great. BUT ... how do the crewmembers get into the cockpit when the seat cushions say NO STEP?
Gene K
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8 minutes ago, Craig Baldwin said:
Looks like top quality craftsmanship. Outstanding.
He REALLY is good! Pretty astounding as well as outstanding.
23 hours ago, ya-gabor said:Elon Musk has banned me from the Twitter as an outside observer so have no idea what FineMolds is showing currently. It will be up to you boys!
Craig Baldwin is always on top of Japanese Twits/Tweets. We are in good hands.
Gene K
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Gabor,
Were you able to get back to this great build ... or the FineMold F-4C?
Gene K
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On 1/29/2023 at 3:22 PM, wardog said:
I've been following Rich on other modeling sites and often blown away at his creativeness and "out of the box" thinking.
Are you allowed to mention the "other modeling sites" ... or post some thread links?
Thanks,
Gene K
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On 6/20/2023 at 10:42 AM, Craig Baldwin said:
I would have liked to see FineMolds do C release with the three 12 TFW CRB squadrons featured.
Yes! Too bad this decal set was not released in 1/72.
Gene K
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This appears to be a good US source for Ukrainian company MetallicDetails. Good pictures of their products.
Gene K
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Outstanding, John.
The FM lit is excellent, but I still have a fondness for the Hasegawa kit. Glad to see you working both!
Think you may have stuck a refueling boom into this airplane?
Gene K
P.S. Can you post a picture of the model after the Spook was added to the intakes, please?
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Lots of detailed add ons, John, and excellent use of the 3D parts you printed. Came out great!!
Gene K
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Thanks, Craig.
What's your assessment thus far?
Gene K
F-4 Phantom Red Flags and Red Bags
in Jet Modeling
Posted · Edited by GeneK
Not at all! RBF flags are a separate topic ... with a whole other set of Dos and Don'ts depending on situation (for example on alert, out of chocks, or in Quick Check) and configuration (as tanks, weapons, and pods). RBF flags have been well covered , but the Little Red Bag hasn't (in my experience, so that's why I addressed the topic. Best , but best to ask about RBF flags after you decide on your load and aircraft situation.
Not sure what you're asking. The seat pin bag can be on the seat before or after the seat is occupied, with canopy open or closed, ready to go or awaiting the crew ... " it depends" . Bottom line is that when the aircraft is on the flightline, the seat will be either fully pinned ... or all pins except Face Curtain pulled and in the bag ... unless the seated crewmember or crew chief has removed the last pin and stowed the bag. Whew.
Sorry for the wishy washy reply,Tom, but oh what a tangled mess we could weave on these two red topics ... until you decide on your load and aircraft situation.
Gene K