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Hi all, For my Spangdahlem Heritage project I'm also planning to build a F-105F (and maybe a F-105D) next in addition to the F-4E, F-4G, A-10A, F-15C and F-16CJ. After a very long search decals have been located and obtained, so now I can focus on the kits and their configurations. 🙂 I will build a bare metal or Aluminium F-105F, as these are the decals for that I've found and it will most likely be a Monogram or Revell kit. Now I only need to look for an interesting loadout. Can anybody help me with the following questions: 1: Were any of t

The picture is a bit small, but it looks like a AIM-9 on the right side and 2 GBU-12's on the left and bottom station of the TER. Similar to the picture from the Israeli F-4E posted by Finn below.

I also found this interesting article about accurate loadouts: http://thecombatworkshop.blogspot.com/2018/06/ensuring-your-aircrafts-loadout-is.html The site is worth checking out.

I was able to find one of the updated manuals dated April 1990 and I attached it to this message. It can be found here: http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2015/05/f-4e-flight-manual-update.html Like it says: It appears to be only a partial copy, with just the updates. Hope this can help anybody. 1699092047_F-4EFlightManual.pdf

Thank you!

Nice catch! To increase the load the Special Weapons Launcher was developed so an extra AIM-9 and bomb could be carried. I also read somewehere that it was possible to carry 2 AIM-9's with a TER loaded with 3 bombs without an adapter, but in that case the AIM-9's could only be used after getting rid of the bombs. According to the the serviceman I had contact with, they didn't use this configutation at Spangdahlem. They chose to load one inner pylon with AIM-9's and the other with bombs/missile(s) in the case AIM-9's were needed. AIM-9's weren't used very often anyway

Thanks Cory, this was indeed one of my original questions. Is it possible to share the entire loadout list here?

The Navy and Marines also used an adapter between the pylon and TER, but it was a bit smaller and more elegant. 😇

Wow, That really is the first picture I've ever seen showing a Special Weapons Adapter, well done! It's hard to see and looks similar, but it hasn't got the flat panel on top like the Lau-118. I do have to say that I don't like the looks of this contraption at all: It looks out of proportions and the TER is placed way to low for my taste. Very glad I didn't go for this configuration. 😎

Today I had the opportunity to get in touch with a former Spangdahlem serviceman which gave me the following information: - Could a F-4E technically carry a TER or other air-to-ground weapons when AIM-9's are fitted on stations 2 and 8? His answer: Yes, but only when a Special Weapons Adapter is used. - Could Spangdahlem F-4E's be fitted with this loadout in the late eighties? His answer: Technically yes, but because the Special Weapons Adapter wasn't available at Spangdahlem the answer is no. - Did Spang F-4E's fly missions with 18 Mk.82's

I'm sorry, but this is not the configuration we are looking for. It doesn't have the loadout of AIM-9's and bombs on stations 2 and 8, just two TER's with 3 Mk.82's each on them. 😉

Then you are doing a lot better then me, because I can't find a single operational picture of a F-4E loaded with AIM-9's and bombs on stations 2 + 8. All I can find are Navy, Marines, museum, digital (pc) and plastic models using this configuration. I also read that only Clark F-4E's were apparently using this adapter to carry a TER underneath the AIM-9's, but again I'm unable to find any photographic proof. Trust me, I really did. 😎 Lets leave it here, because my initial questions have been answered and I have enough info to figure out whic

Sorry for the confusion, I just like my F-4E to have an interesting loadout with live weapons that could actually be possible. For me it's a model and it should look as nice/interesting as possibe. 😎 Thanks for the link to the website showing actual loads carried by the 52TFW during Desert Storm. In the F-4E configuration I see that CBU-87's are fitted below a pair of AIM-9's on station 2. Am I interpreting this correctly? A few days ago I've read a story about a somebody that was trying to find out if USAF F-4's ever used AIM-9's and bombs at the same time on stations

Thanks for the info, I didn't know that 3 fueltanks would cause so much drag and that carrying 3 tanks was so rare. I also read that sometimes the front two stations 4 and 6 would be empty or carry ECM pods as there was a clearance issue between the Sparrow rear fins and the centre fueltank. Apparently this meant the centerline tank required jettisoning before the front missiles could be launched? Does anyone know if this is really the case? As for the weapons loadout: I like mine to have an interesting, full live weapons loadout that could actually be possi

Thank you so much! I found a lot of different weapon configuration charts browsing the Internet, but I didn'd find this one. 🙂 🙂 Very happy, so now I only have do decide if I will go for the Mk.82's or Shrike's.

Yes you are right that F-4E's can fire the AGM-45's when targetting is provided by a F-4G, but can it carry four of them is the answer I'm looking for. 🙂 Indeed AGM-65's can be carried on F-4E's but in my opinion the AGM-65 is not a very pretty missile as it is quite bulky. HARM's and Shrike's are much sleeker and nicer to look at, so that's why I'm not considering them. 🙂

Hi Stefan, There are some differences between the F-4E and F-4G's, like (as far as I know) the fact that the F-4E wasn't able to use the AGM-78 and AGM-88 missiles. It seems logical that if a F-4e can carry AGM-45's on the inboard stations they also could be carried on the outboard stations, but I'm looking for confirmation. Erwin

Hi Electrosoldier, I really don't know if the F-4E's based at Spangdahlem ever used the AGM-65 and since I've never seen a picture of a AGM-65 loaded one them, I've never considered them. Erwin

Hi Achterkirch, I did find this picture online from a Spangdahlem F-4E with two AGM-45's that I really like and I just hope I can find out if they could also be carried on stations 1 and 9.

Hi Falcon91352, Thanks for your reply and information. I will indeed use either the two wingtanks or the centerline tank on my F-4E and use the rest of the stations for armament. At the moment I'm leaning towards the 18 Mk.82's on 2 MER's and 2 TER's, but I will consider four AGM-45 Shrikes when I know for sure they could be loaded on stations 1 and 9. My F-4E will wear the European One camo and I will use the Hasegawa PT-8 F-4E with Eduard armament. Besides this F-4E, I will also be building a Spangdahlem F-4G from the early nineties in a Hill Gre

Hi Stefan, Thanks for your reply. I'm also leaning towards the 18x Mk.82 loadout, but 4x AGM-45 also sounds very nice. However, since I'm not sure if F-4E's could carry AGM-45's on the outboard pylons and, I won't choose this option unless I can get confirmation. Hopefully somebody here knows the answer to this question. Funny detail: The F-4E 74-0642/SP at Kleine-Brogel in 1987 you mention is exactly the one I was talking about. For me it also has been the only operatioal Spang F-4E I've ever seen and it will be this exact example that I'm go

Hi all, I'm new here and I hope that this is the place to post a question I have: For one of my 1:48 projects, I'm planning to build a 81TFS Spangdahlem F-4E that I've seen in 1987. All my models are wheels up builds and I do like interesting but realistic loadouts underneath my planes. Searching the Internet I found several weapon loadouts for Spangdahlem F-4E's, but I'm wondering if other more interesting looking loadouts are possible. I've enclosed a picture of several SEAD loadouts that I could find (green) and included the ones that I possibly