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  1. timc

    1/48 B-17 series from Hk

    Yes but plywood was covered with black anti-skid paint or rubber mat (earlier aircraft) to include the camera bay door.
  2. timc

    1/48 B-17 series from Hk

    Yes, the B-17 has overlapping panel joints in most places. However, to render that effect in 1/48 scale, and at a scale thickness, you would be at 0.0008" (8/10,000 of an inch). That's probably so small that most of us couldn't even feel it with our fingers. Just as a point of reference, a piece of regular 25 lb. copy paper is 0.003" (3/1000 of an inch). Even with an out of scale effort, it would be extremely hard to render the overlapping joints and would no doubt raise the cost of the tooling so that the kit would be much more expensive than it already is; and a few swipes with some rough sandpaper along seams will eliminate that effect totally making it look like an old beater car that someone put 15 lbs of Bondo along the door and sanded it by hand with a sanding block (and then painted it). You know the type... it's that car that waves at you when it drives by. While the recessed panel lines are out of scale, I am of the opinion that finishing will subdue a lot of that depth and in the end, what is there looks pretty damn good to my eye.
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    P-51D Cockpit Color

    Hold one.... On P-51D production: The framing (part H40) for the radio and battery (prior to it being relocated to the firewall area) was painted flat black. Everything above a certain waterline (I've forgotten what that waterline is), was painted flat black. That's why that portion of the armor plating behind the seat is painted black while the remainder is interior green. The floor that the auxiliary fuel tank sits on is a resin board with balsa wood supports on the sides between the fuselage formers and the tank. Whether that resin board was painted or not is unknown so if you decide to paint it interior green, not many are going to know any different. The Detrola (Part H60) would have been removed on ETO Mustangs but may have been used in Mediterranean Mustangs and Pacific Mustangs. Detrola was really only good in the USA at that time. The shaded part of H34 underneath the seat should be an olive color as it's a fabric cover. Also that part that goes on the rear of the armor plate seat I believe is part of the IFF. If you're modeling an early P-51D, your aircraft probably will not have that installed. REFERENCES: O'Leary, Michael.(2010). Building the P-51 Mustang, The Story of Manufacturing North American's Legendary World War II Fighter in Oringal Photos. Specialty Press. MN P-51 SIG Air Corps Library - P-51D drawing files P-51D/K IPC AN-0160JE-4
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    1/48 B-17 series from Hk

    Not quite true... HK released a 1/32 late B-17G, then a 1/32 B-17E/F and then re-released the late B-17G with different markings. You'd never be able to see overlapping panels in 1/48 unless it was so out of scale that would make it look like a shingled roof. A prototypical 0.040" thick skin overlap will be 0.00083" (that's 83/10,000 of an inch) in 1/48 scale...you'd be hard pressed to even feel that with your fingertip. From the CAD images I've seen, the panel lines will be recessed with recessed rivets. I gave the CAD images a cursory look and they did address the "issue" at bulkhead 3 that plagues the 1/32 kits. They got a lot of things correct for an early B-17G but a few things they got wrong...like the radio room gun in a K-6 mount. That was not an early B-17G installation. The correct installation would be what I refer to as the "hula-hoop" gun mount in the radio room. As was the case in the 17F, the radio room plexi would be removed and the gun slid rearward into firing position. You can just see a part of the hula-hoop in the image below. They also omitted the dual structure in the radio room...dual as in circular fuselage with the turtledeck on top. They added the wingtip vents.... Those pesky wing tip vents were not on early B-17G's either...those will need to be filled unless you're modeling a field modified ship that had the vents installed. I just hope they've trimmed the fat out of the fuselage that is present in the 1/32 scale B-17G (and E/F too). In that scale she's much too fat in the waist (actually the entire fuselage is out of whack) than she should be. The tail wheel installation is pure fiction as evidenced by the CAD images. All-in-all, I think this will put a big dent to the market share enjoyed by the Revellogram kit which has been the only G in the 1/48 market since 1975...I received one of the first kits off the production line for Christmas that year.
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  7. As I remember, the kit instructions give two options for dealing with turret removal; one is to leave the turret rings and just cap them with flat plastic pieces and two; remove the turret rings and install shaped circular discs over the holes left by the turret ring removal. Neither of these is a good option to a passable Silverplate B-29.
  8. I found her. 42-37791 GD*L. It appears she was the very first B-17G produced by Douglas after the last production F's (B-17F-85-DL). It's no wonder she's got a lot of "F" traits.
  9. Yes, all input is welcome. Helps all of us understand better. The blocks you identified as introducing the bulged cheek windows are from a production line standpoint. The UAL Cheyenne Mod Center was installing the bulged cheek windows on B-17's long before they made it to the production line; the same is true of the pumpkin turrets. Most of those B-17G's not equipped with cheek windows from the factory, received them from the UAL Cheyenne Mod Center (or other modification centers) but the above photo is a G and we can plainly see that not all B-17G's received the bulged cheek windows before being assigned to a unit. Thanks for the info. Although it's a nice model (I had one but sold it years ago), There's no way I'd pay that price for a pumpkin turret. Anyway, I found out I don't need one anyway. My subject aircraft did not have one.
  10. Interesting.... I know most of the characteristics of the early G's but that upper local turret is definitely a new one for me. Do you know her serial number? I cannot identify her from the photograph.
  11. The 91st went to Cologne several times. Are you referring to the October 15, 1944 mission to Cologne when she took the damage that eventually made her half-n-half or are you referring to a 1945 mission? If you're talking about the October 15, 1944 mission, then she had the standard tail stinger at that time (LMM was B-17G-35-VE, serial no. 42-97880, DF*F). She retained the standard tail stinger up until some time in 1945 when she was fitted with the pumpkin turret. She would have had red vertical and horizontal tailplanes (sans rudder and elevators) and wingtips from July 1944. Yellow was never a color used by the 1st CW, 1st AD (91st, 381st, 398th BG's [McDowell, 24]), to identify their aircraft. LMM failed to return, landed on the Continent, January 6, 1945. January 6, 1945 mission number 278 was to Cologne so this is the last time LMM went to Cologne. She was reunited with the 91st on February 26, 1945. LMM Crash landed at Bassingbourn April 4, 1945 and was salvaged [Haavelar, 221] (and subsequently repaired and sent to the 306th BG in May 1945 [Bowden, 122-123]). She had the pumpkin turret on her last mission. Unfortunately, absent any substantiation, there's no way to definitively determine whether she had the pumpkin turret during the January 6 mission to Cologne or not. My educated guess is that the pumpkin turret was fitted after she was returned to Bassingbourn at the end of February. Take that for what it's worth, I cannot substantiate that guess. I know of no 1/48 pumpkin turret conversions that are currently available but if you're not doing her as she appeared during her last few missions, you shouldn't need it. REFERENCES: Havelaar, Marion. Ness, William N. (1995). The Ragged Irregulars of Bassingbourn, The 91st Bombardment Group in World War II. Schiffer Publishing Ltd., Atglen, PA (pp. 206-207, 221) Bowden, Ray. (1993). Plane Names and Fancy Noses, The 91st Bomb Group (Heavy) United States Army Air Force. Design Oracle/USAAF Nose Art Research Project. Dorset, Great Britain (pp. 122-123) McDowell, Ernest R. (1987). Flying Fortress, The Boeing B-17. Squadron/Signal Publishing, Carrolton, TX. (p. 24)
  12. I assumed paint because in a color photo I have of "General Ike", the cooling jackets are red whereas here they seem to be white. These are obviously late war photos (the red barrel jackets on General Ike and the white barrel jackets on Wee Willie) so it may just be personal/crew dressing as there doesn't seem to be a consistency among the ships in the group. I haven't really looked at a lot of late war 91st ships but these two just caught my eye; they may be the only ones and they may not be...evaluation continues (until such time as I take the dirt nap).
  13. How early in the G production run are you talking about? Wee Willie (42-31333) is a B-17G-15-BO and she was delivered with the typical G style nose plexi. It was then replaced (for whatever reason) with the F style nose later on in her career. The first photo is from early in her career while the second is after she's put on a few dozen missions. Note the BDR patches and the replacement chin turret in addition to the F style nose plexi. Still haven't figured out why the cooling jackets on the guns were painted white (for that matter, painted at all). Above photo borrowed from the 91st BGMA (www.91stbombgroup.com) and is for discussion purposes only. Copyrights remain with owner/91st BGMA.
  14. That's why I make my own decals (nose art, squadron markings, serial numbers, etc...) I only do 91st BG ships though as that's all that interests me. Besides, a lot (not all, there are a few very good ones out there...Mike Grant Decals "Hikin for Home" comes to mind) of the commercially available decals for the 91st BG are incorrect in some form or another, some grossly inaccurate. I'll use what I can from a commercially available sheet (such as "Wee Willie" nose art from Kit's World Decals but I will render the division symbol (triangle "A") and the squadron/plane-in-squadron codes as they're wrong on the Kits World Sheet. I may even re-render the nose art as I'm not convinced on some of the coloring they used on it. I'm also trying to figure out how to 3D print a B-17F style nose (without the gun ports) as a master, to replace the typical B-17G nose that the Revell (Monogram) kit comes with. A lot of the 91st ships (as I suspect a lot of other ships in other BG's) used this type of clear plexi nose for one reason or another. The reason why I started this thread was to find out if I could get a B-17G kit in 1/48 scale with a pumpkin tail turret without having to invest my right leg for the ProModeler or latest Visible editions of the kit. I did acquire one just to have a look and what's been said about it not coming with the pumpkin turret is a fact; it does not. I was going to build a B-17G-35-DL from the 91st "Fifinella" but that project is on hold for the time being. I think I'm going to do this one as "Wee Willie"; another of my favorite aircraft from the 91st. I could still do Fifinella as there's photographic evidence that B-17G-35-DL's did not come from the factory with the pumpkin turret and also photographic evidence of this production block in action with the standard tail stinger. This leads to the possibility that Fifinella may have had the standard tail stinger. There's no photo's I can find of her tail so it remains a possibility...but I continue to search. All I'd have to do is stagger the waist windows (and make new enclosures which I have already devised a plan to accomplish). Well, I just found what I was looking for: Fifinella had a standard tail. Oh happy day! I just left here and Googled the aircraft and up came an image I hadn't seen before. It's Fifinella's starboard side (42-107030) LG*T, showing her with a standard tail stinger! I lucked out and Fifinella's ON!
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