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Hi All,

Following a few requests regarding the rivet details and weathering with regards to my Canberra that I posted a couple of days ago I decided to take a quick couple of photos of the upper surface of the wings/fuselage to show a little more of how the rivet detail turned out.

Sorry about the quality of the photography...I took the photos through the glass on top of the display cabinet :lol: .

I added the rivet detail with Rosie Riveter tool after the ALCLAD II had been applied. It took me 33 minutes...yes I timed it B) ...to do the whole thing (wings, fuselage, the whole shebang). I used the Aeroclub Canberra as a guide to where the rivets 'should' be. It has made quite a diffenrence to the kit when viewed in person...it just adds that something extra :) .

Regards,

Mark

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Great job on the Canberra Mark (I just looked at your other posting of the finished kit). I used to watch the Canberras take off from Warton, pretty impressive airplanes.

Fancy posting some tips and tricks on using the Rivetter tool? What did you use as a straight-edge, for example, and is there a secret to rivetting tight-radii like the narrow rear-fuselage? Any wisdom you could share would be appreciated. :thumbsup:

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ohhhhhh, you done a excellent job, for the photography, don't worry, because, it shows all the details that it must to show (specially, the rivet details).

I think this is one of the best fuselage details that I ever see, and also, the rivet tool is fantastic.

just keep going, and congrats.

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Hi

this is beautiful work to a standard I can't achieve-however when I look at a real Canberra (I've seen lots close up both preserved and in service). I just don't see the rivets.

As a returnee to modelling after over 25 years I am interested in the modern interest in putting rivets on models where they are hardly visible on the real thing. Yet paradoxically many modellers are also very preoccupied with scale accuracy.

I remember models in the 70's being criticised for having too many rivets, and much effort being spent in removing all traces.

I am sure this must have been discussed before-I am just interested in what people think.

I've posted an image of one of the last PR9s in service last July.

Van

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Hi

this is beautiful work to a standard I can't achieve-however when I look at a real Canberra (I've seen lots close up both preserved and in service). I just don't see the rivets.

As a returnee to modelling after over 25 years I am interested in the modern interest in putting rivets on models where they are hardly visible on the real thing. Yet paradoxically many modellers are also very preoccupied with scale accuracy.

I remember models in the 70's being criticised for having too many rivets, and much effort being spent in removing all traces.

I am sure this must have been discussed before-I am just interested in what people think.

I've posted an image of one of the last PR9s in service last July.

Van

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Hi Van,

Thanks for taking the time to have a look at my post, and more importantly add some feedback.

I have considered what you have said and I consider your points to be quite valid. I model primarily to satisfy myself, if others like my models...great...if not...maybe my 'style' just doesn't suit their tastes.

Just last December when I was heading back to see my parents on leave, I happened to pass by two Canberra's sitting in a paddock in South East Queensland, not far from RAAF Base Amberley, where these bombers were once based when in Australian service. I did take a few photos, some of which are shown below.

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It can clearly be seen that the aircraft, although in a sad state of repair, have visible rivet detail. If my camera work was a little better (or a lot better :banana: ) these details would be more evident.

The photo you posted of the PR9 is a nice photo, and yes I agree that there are no rivets visible. I guess I'm lucky I didn't model a PR9 in service in the last couple of years, rather a RAAF Canberra in a natural metal scheme in service some 40 years ago. With a natural metal scheme on a full size aircraft there is no scope to cover the details of the manufature of the full size aircraft, rivets, different types/sheets of metal with differing grains and the like.

Whilst I admit that my Canberra is not strictly accurate, it IS meant to be a representation of an aircraft that was in service at one point. I admit that perhaps the rivets may be a little to bold for some, but I did add them after I had sprayed the NMF because the panels just begged for something more.

I would be interested to have John Adams from Aeroclub comment on this topic. I did use his model of the Canberra for the positioning of the rivet detail, and I know that he has had a LOT to do with the Canberra in his carrer in the RAF.

In any case, in my mind, I have achieved what I set out to do.

Once again, thanks for your comments and candor.

Warmest regards,

Mark

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thanks for not taking offence at my observations. I'd like to say that I hope I can reach your standards sometime. (soon would be nice...). Great, though sad, pics. By the way, Aeroclub are only a 5 minute drive away for me!

Best regards

Van

Hi Van,

Thanks for taking the time to have a look at my post, and more importantly add some feedback.

I have considered what you have said and I consider your points to be quite valid. I model primarily to satisfy myself, if others like my models...great...if not...maybe my 'style' just doesn't suit their tastes.

Just last December when I was heading back to see my parents on leave, I happened to pass by two Canberra's sitting in a paddock in South East Queensland, not far from RAAF Base Amberley, where these bombers were once based when in Australian service. I did take a few photos, some of which are shown below.

imgp0297.jpg

imgp0298.jpg

imgp0299.jpg

imgp0301.jpg

It can clearly be seen that the aircraft, although in a sad state of repair, have visible rivet detail. If my camera work was a little better (or a lot better :D ) these details would be more evident.

The photo you posted of the PR9 is a nice photo, and yes I agree that there are no rivets visible. I guess I'm lucky I didn't model a PR9 in service in the last couple of years, rather a RAAF Canberra in a natural metal scheme in service some 40 years ago. With a natural metal scheme on a full size aircraft there is no scope to cover the details of the manufature of the full size aircraft, rivets, different types/sheets of metal with differing grains and the like.

Whilst I admit that my Canberra is not strictly accurate, it IS meant to be a representation of an aircraft that was in service at one point. I admit that perhaps the rivets may be a little to bold for some, but I did add them after I had sprayed the NMF because the panels just begged for something more.

I would be interested to have John Adams from Aeroclub comment on this topic. I did use his model of the Canberra for the positioning of the rivet detail, and I know that he has had a LOT to do with the Canberra in his carrer in the RAF.

In any case, in my mind, I have achieved what I set out to do.

Once again, thanks for your comments and candor.

Warmest regards,

Mark

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