otis252 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Hey Tweet fans, Do we have a 48th Tweet? How about a Trump 32nd Tweet? How about the conversion for the Mono T-37? When? Heck with the new Tamiya F-16. Heck with the long awaited Hasagawa TA-4J. ARC demands a Tweet!!!! Chuck Link to post Share on other sites
CraigSargent Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Curious to know just how hard the changes to the Monogram 1/48 A-37 would be to get the T-37. Is the wing size significantly diffferent with the added strengthening? Is the gear size difference noticeable? With the uprated engines, did the intake/exhaust change? Will the cockpit pass for a T-37 or is it significantly different too? Might take some work, but would it be a good start to make a nice "dog whistle" or is the difference just too significant? Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Kethan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I've got a 1/72 tweet for sale or trade if anyone wants it. It was given to me by a friend. I'll never build it since I don't build 1/72.. Chris Link to post Share on other sites
Lenny Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Hey!!! What about a real trainer the T-34C tor-mentor. Don't forget the sweat drenched front seat! Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Diamond Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Hey Tweet fans,Do we have a 48th Tweet? How about a Trump 32nd Tweet? How about the conversion for the Mono T-37? When? Heck with the new Tamiya F-16. Heck with the long awaited Hasagawa TA-4J. ARC demands a Tweet!!!! Chuck I think Aurora is the only company that produced a 1/48 Tweet, but like the 1/72 Hasegawa Tweet boxing, from what I understand, they are both pretty much A-37s dressed like T-37s. (Who can blame them for wanting to look like the mighty Tweet?) Not only is the Aurora kit long OOP, but from what I understand, it's grossly innaccurate and pretty much just a lump of plastic. Until someone pops out a true Tweet kit, I'm gonna have to work with my Monogram A-37 kits. But yeah, if Trump makes a 1/32 Tweet kit, I'll be all over that like a fat kid on a cupcake! Curious to know just how hard the changes to the Monogram 1/48 A-37 would be to get the T-37. Is the wing size significantly diffferent with the added strengthening? Is the gear size difference noticeable? With the uprated engines, did the intake/exhaust change? Will the cockpit pass for a T-37 or is it significantly different too?Might take some work, but would it be a good start to make a nice "dog whistle" or is the difference just too significant? Someone once emailed me a list of major differences between the A-37 and T-37 that I'll have to dig out whenever I start on my Monogram kits. But I do recall that parts the intake and other parts of the fuselage were different betweent the two aircraft. From what I was told, I was given the impression that you can make a model that looks like a Tweet out of the A-37 kit, but it would have several innacuracies. I guess a good comparision would be converting a F-5E to the F-5A or a F-5F to a T-38. Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 (edited) The Mighty Tweet can not be truly modeled, all those who approach it are blinded by its magnificence, and so can only produce an approximation. The nearer they get, the more blinding its brilliance. It is the Heimlich Theory of Uncertainty. Regards, Murph Edited February 15, 2007 by Murph Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 The Mighty Tweet can not be truly modeled, all those who approach it are blinded by its magnificence, and so can only produce an approximation. The nearer they get, the more blinding its brilliance. It is the Heimlich Theory of Uncertainty. Perhaps that's why the Tomcat is so popular. Because no one can (or dares to?) make an accurate model of a Tweetybird, they do Turkeys instead! Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Perhaps that's why the Tomcat is so popular. Because no one can (or dares to?) make an accurate model of a Tweetybird, they do Turkeys instead! Exactly. As the man said, the Tweet is blindingly magnificent. But on the other hand, the Turkey is the exact opposite, and therefore safer to model. I myself am currently working on a very special and unique F-14! Link to post Share on other sites
David Walker Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 The Mighty Tweet can not be truly modeled, all those who approach it are blinded by its magnificence, and so can only produce an approximation. Shouldn't that be deafened by it's brilliance? Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Diamond Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 While some enjoy putting lights or moving props on their models, I'll put in an electronic whistle in mine. If 21st Century Toys comes out with a 1/18th Tweet, they better have a fully functional puking pilot. Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 While some enjoy putting lights or moving props on their models, I'll put in an electronic whistle in mine. If 21st Century Toys comes out with a 1/18th Tweet, they better have a fully functional puking pilot. No way - gotta have a sound chip, one that makes my dog run in terror, drive dolphins insane and cause bats to have mid-air collisions. Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Chladek Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 The Mighty Tweet :D can not be truly modeled, all those who approach it are blinded by its magnificence, and so can only produce an approximation. The nearer they get, the more blinding its brilliance. It is the Heimlich Theory of Uncertainty. Every time Murph says that I get a nice BIG lump in my throat. ;) Link to post Share on other sites
David Walker Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I'm glad it's in your throat anyway, but that's still too much information. Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Every time Murph says that I get a nice BIG lump in my throat. Come on, mate, don't hold back! Express yourself! Let it all out! Link to post Share on other sites
yardbird78 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I just found this kit in garage sale for $1.00 . If I remove that radome or whatever it is on the dorsal spine, leave off the weapons and tip tanks, how close to a real TWEET will it be? Thanks, Darwin Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Diamond Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 (edited) I'll be doing pretty much the same thing in 1/48th scale. The cockpit is different, as you can see in these pictures T-37B A-37B The main difference is the left side of the cockpit. There's noticeably more dials and such on the right side of the Tweet since that's where the IP sits. Also, on the left side, there are few are a few more dials in the Dragonfly because it's an attack aircraft. So, to make a Tweet, you'd have to delete some items from the left side, and add some items on the right. Here's some technical drawings I found T-37 A-37 They're not the best or clearest drawings in the world, but there are some noticeable differences in the airframe. Also, the drawings better show the differences in the intake and engine area that I mentioned earlier. That area is noticeably larger on the Dragonfly than on the Tweet. Edited February 15, 2007 by Keith Diamond Link to post Share on other sites
yardbird78 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Keith, Thanks for the information. The cockpit is so small in 1/72 that I am not particularly concerned about it's accuracy. I would like to correct any glaring errors on the outside. Darwin Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 In 1/72nd, later editions of Hasegawa's (O)A-37 kit had extra parts that were added after their release of the faux T-37 kit, mostly flat gear doors. It won't alleviate the problems with the oversized engine housings, but every little bit helps... Cheers, Andre (embracing his inner Tweet) Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Diamond Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 It won't alleviate the problems with the oversized engine housings, but every little bit helps... Yeah, I'm guessing that if anyone attempts a conversion, that is pretty much the only glaring problem you can't fix. Well, I guess if you slice out big chunks and do a major re shaping and such that would probably take a ridiculous amount of time... But yeah, whenever I start/finish mine, that'll be the biggest flaw in my build. And like you Darwin, I'm not sure if I'm gonna mess with the cockpit console too much. Even though I'll be working in 1/48th, I don't think I have the skill to fix that correctly. Link to post Share on other sites
Impatient Pete Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Awesome thread! Some time ago, I cut the tip tanks off of a Monogram A-37 to use on a Vietnam era attack version of a P-51. Since then I have looked at that little T-37 imposter and wondered... Let's keep this going! Pete out Link to post Share on other sites
Impatient Pete Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 (edited) Hey dudes, So I took a quick look and figured out a few major tweaks to the A-37 kit. This is by no means comprehensive, but just a look at the biggest issues to those of us wanting a T-37. These are just a quick glance kind of thing. What are all of the changes needed? Doors, Cockpit, fin filet, etc... What do you guys think? Shall we make this a T-37 conversion guide? Pete Edited February 15, 2007 by Impatient Pete Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Diamond Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Looks like a good start to one! Anybody out there Tweet experts? I know some of the guys here, such as Murph, Waco, Pig and Hitch have had significant training time in it, what do you guys suggest? Link to post Share on other sites
oscardeuce Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 You can see the intakes here, I'll try to get a better pic ASAP. Link to post Share on other sites
Impatient Pete Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 (edited) Great pic! I did a little comparison here: Are the wings bigger on the A? I don't think so, but it looks like the intake is further forward and so it seems like the wing LE is as well. I think it makes sense that the intake is further forward. It seems like the reason that the T-37 whistles so badly is that the air entering the engine makes a severe turn after entering the intake. Does the A-37 whistle as loudly? One possible explanation could be that the intake is further forward and so the change in direction is less harsh? Or maybe I just think too much? Anyway, two ?'s: Is the intake really further forward on the A-37, and is the wing the same (dimensionaly)? Pete Edited February 15, 2007 by Impatient Pete Link to post Share on other sites
Fouga23 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 We urgently need a Tweet model in 1/48th! (hint hint Zactoman ) Link to post Share on other sites
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