stump Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Ok,I am not trying to start a flame war here,but I was reading the lockheed stealth book,and according to the book,the yf-23 was as good, if not better. I would like to hear you guys opions.thanks..Stump Link to post Share on other sites
aaronacw Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I dont know about the stealth and performance but the YF-23 definetely looks cooler. Link to post Share on other sites
stump Posted June 16, 2007 Author Share Posted June 16, 2007 according to the book the performance was on par as well as handeling. Link to post Share on other sites
Impatient Pete Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 First in with popcorn! YYesss!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Diamond Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 My opinion? Zactoman's 1/32 YF-23 kit looks like it'll be a real gem when finished. Link to post Share on other sites
DPD1 Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 There's probably only a handful of people at the Pentagon that were privy to the true differences... But I think politics plays a big part in most of their acquisition decisions. Dave The North Spin - Dedicated to Aircraft Flight Test for the Aviation Enthusiast http://www.thenorthspin.com Link to post Share on other sites
dylan Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 My opinion? Zactoman's 1/32 YF-23 kit looks like it'll be a real gem when finished. Ill take an amen on that one Link to post Share on other sites
dylan Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 My opinion? Zactoman's 1/32 YF-23 kit looks like it'll be a real gem when finished. amen on that one Link to post Share on other sites
Irving Babbitt Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 There's a several-part video on Youtube produced by Northrop, if memory serves, that gives their side of the story. Although it's been a while since I watched it, I believe their take was this: We were faster, stelthier, and the more ambitious design. The Air Force made the conservative choice. Lots of great inflight images of the YF-23 and certainly worth your 15-20 mins. Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 My opinion? Zactoman's 1/32 YF-23 kit looks like it'll be a real gem when finished. Roger that! Link to post Share on other sites
ravensfan6711 Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 (edited) Evidently the '23 didn't have vectored thrust like the '22. That may have played into it? Edited June 16, 2007 by ravensfan6711 Link to post Share on other sites
stump Posted June 16, 2007 Author Share Posted June 16, 2007 Evidently the '23 didn't have vectored thrust like the '22. That may played into it? yea i read that as well,but that is the only thing that the -23 didnt have that the 22 had.I knew that politics played into the decison,but if the -23 was a better airplane,then it should have one.thanks guys,keep em comming..Stump Link to post Share on other sites
ravensfan6711 Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 yea i read that as well,but that is the only thing that the -23 didnt have that the 22 had.I knew that politics played into the decison,but if the -23 was a better airplane,then it should have one.thanks guys,keep em comming..Stump When you see the F-22 fly at airshow you see how important vectored thrust is to the airplane's agility. The things it can do are simply astounding. I'd say that's a major advantage over the '23. Now that's not to say that the '23 wouldn't have been a great airplane, but clearly we as taxpayers got ourselves the best fighter in the world hands down. I only wish we had more of them. probably been posted before, but check here: Link to post Share on other sites
GotrekGurnisson Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I'd say thrust vectoring is a pretty big difference when you consider the potential of them someday facing off against Flankers. I've heard a few interesting tales of joint exercises between the USAF and Indian Air Force involving Flankers. Link to post Share on other sites
stump Posted June 16, 2007 Author Share Posted June 16, 2007 o man that video was nice...i see that the -22 is a great airplane,and that the TV has tremendus value,also just thinking,how would the -23 would have been with TV.Stump Link to post Share on other sites
g0_command0 Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Better or Worse , I liked the look of the YF-23 alot! Link to post Share on other sites
hemspilot Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 (edited) According to the Northrop people their design could achieve similar post stall manouvering capabilities without the use of TV (just check out those huge "rudderons"). The data on achieved performance is still classified, but the '23 was rumored at having a much higher Supercruise regime. Also let's not forget that the F-22 just only resembles the YF-22, and Northrop/McDonnellDouglas were on the way out as corporate identities. With all possible considerations to manouvering performance, I still consider the F-15 a much better looking aircraft and the YF-23 better looking yet. Edited June 16, 2007 by hemspilot Link to post Share on other sites
Av8fan Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I am still waiting for Zacto's YF-23. I see that he is moving and planing on starting back up around Juy 1st. I wish him all the best. I may never buy another kit but I will get one when he releases his. Link to post Share on other sites
shadowy_one Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 i betcha any money ya like the F-23 design is flying as a "black" program remember the F-117 was operational nigh on a decade before the public knew about it Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 i betcha any money ya like the F-23 design is flying as a "black" program Flying out of where? remember the F-117 was operational nigh on a decade before the public knew about it Then we're overdue for it's unveiling. Link to post Share on other sites
Rapier01 Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 i betcha any money ya like the F-23 design is flying as a "black" program Unlikely. The money ain't there and there's no reason to duplicate a capabilty like that. Link to post Share on other sites
DPD1 Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 Unlikely. The money ain't there and there's no reason to duplicate a capabilty like that. I have to agree... It's very unlikely we'll ever see a project the likes of the 117 again. If they tried doing that today, the beans would be spilled on the internet before they ever got a chance to use them. Some of the technology from the 23 probably went into other programs though. They've probably got numerous prototype designs sitting around (mostly UAV), but there's a big difference between that and full production aircraft being kept secret. Dave The North Spin - Dedicated to Aircraft Flight Test for the Aviation Enthusiast http://www.thenorthspin.com Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 I am not very impresed with that F-22 demo. Many of the tricks i have seen Su-30 and MiG-29 ovt do. BUT, YF-23 was wayyyyy cooler that f-22. Sorry, f-22 is kinda of boiring.... PS: Please, no flame war! Link to post Share on other sites
stump Posted June 17, 2007 Author Share Posted June 17, 2007 I have also read that the CIA has started their work at groom up again,but this time its with UAV's,that could be where some of the technology from the -23 is at now.As for the -22 being boring,I just dont see that.Im not trying to be an ***,but any aircraft that can do those manouvers,add supercruise,be low observable on just about any radar out there,and still have the weapons to do the job.thats a good jet in my book. ....but the -23 did look cooler.Stump Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 No, i did mean it looks boring... Link to post Share on other sites
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