strikeeagle88 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Came across these pics when doing some random surfing.. Sorry if it has been posted before. And the pics are quite old too, published in 2005.. But i think they make interesting pics for comparison purposes.. (But am i allowed to post these pics?? Pls let me know if i'm not.. I'll just link them. No intention of breaking any copyright laws..) Wow.. The artist must have been a fan of the F-22.. Link to post Share on other sites
Su-34 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 This has been already posted some time ago. But the fighter looks like F-22, its a remix of F-22 and MiG-1.44 But im almost sure this would not be built... Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Wow.. The artist must have been a fan of the F-22.. Looks more like the YF-22 to me... However, I seriously doubt this will be the design of the 5th generation Russian fighter. Link to post Share on other sites
jamesrolfe Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Wasn't the yf 22 the prototype for the f22? I remember prefering the look of the yf23, that looked very odd. Link to post Share on other sites
Zmey Smirnoff Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Well, if we are going to discuss the PAK FA possible appearances in depth (and as mature adults) let me dump few renditions of other possibilities. Note that neither of the posted images represent the true shape of PAK Fa (I-21). Although the blue splinter-camo one is the most realistic according to Saturn. Enjoy and play nice Z.S. Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Ahhh, I want those two berkut things....Please let it be russian 5gen plane.... Blue splinter kamo!?!?!?!?!?!?! :D Link to post Share on other sites
Zmey Smirnoff Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Blue splinter kamo!?!?!?!?!?!?! I meant first, third and the last image posted. Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Very interesting photos. It's no use for my to comment which is the closest to reality. We'll see. Thanks, Zmey! Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I rather like the MiG-29 looking one myself. Link to post Share on other sites
illithid00 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I really like the 7th image down, with the forward swept wings. Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I'd like this one, please! :D Especially the top view looks cool! What strikes me as odd is the some of the designs apparently let go of the idea of all-round visibility. Is this the old "BVR only"-mindset at work again? Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Is this the old "BVR only"-mindset at work again? Maybe. Someone in the RAF thought it would be a good idea to remove the cannon from the Typhoon until it was realized it would be more trouble than it was worth. Link to post Share on other sites
Zmey Smirnoff Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Meh... only one or two of those renditions have somewhat restricted view. I'm sure the real I-21 doesnt have that problem. Link to post Share on other sites
Zmey Smirnoff Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 (edited) And while we are on the subject - how about few more pics? 7th and the last image is LFI single engine concept. (PAK FA Light so to speak) Edited June 27, 2007 by Zmey Smirnoff Link to post Share on other sites
Su-34 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 (edited) Su-47 and F-22 had se*? :unsure: PS. The text in 3rd pic says: "PAKFA Su-50K carrier based fighter" And the next one: "PAKFA T-50 Land based" <_< Edited June 28, 2007 by Su-34 Link to post Share on other sites
David Walker Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 It will be interesting to see what actually emerges as the next generation aircraft. Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Su-47 and F-22 had se*? :D And that's actually what p!§$3§ me off about some of these "designs". They're so obviusly F-22-related it hurts! Especially those at the start of the thread. As if the Russians are only capable of copying Western stuff. And this mindset riles me no end! The Russians have come up with too many great designs on their own to be accused over and over again of being copycats and incapable of developing something themselves. This copycat behaviour may have been the case during Soviet times in some cases, but those times are gone. I'm sorry for maybe wrecking this thread, but, well, this really gets me. Link to post Share on other sites
Zmey Smirnoff Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Its not about Western mindset (whatever that is), its about certain laws of physics. To achieve stealth you must have trapezoid shaped surfaces, weapons must be inside, gold-plated bubble canopy and so on. It must have two engines and shielded air intakes. The problem isn’t Russians copying - the problem is Westerners accusing Russians of copying just because the plane has two wings and two engines. When your task is to develop a plane for SPECIFIC function - any designer free from dementia will arrive at similar results just because Russia and West are subject to same laws of physics. Grab a pencil and try to design a hand tool for effective digging that doesn’t look like a shovel! Most of the time Westerners cant imagine that Russians have designed something better - so they let loose with the accusation. Just try to see past that. I, for one, already got used to that. Link to post Share on other sites
Matt_S Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Right-click & save (repeat several times) Where did you guys get these pics from? Matt Link to post Share on other sites
Zmey Smirnoff Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Ultimate 5th Gen source Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 (edited) <...> Just try to see past that. I, for one, already got used to that. Yeah, Zmey, you're probably right and I will try to as well! But at times I feel like I'm about to EDIT: What is that? Looks cool! Sort of like a "Freestyle" with different intakes. Edited June 28, 2007 by ChernayaAkula Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Its not about Western mindset (whatever that is), its about certain laws of physics. To achieve stealth you must have trapezoid shaped surfaces, weapons must be inside, gold-plated bubble canopy and so on. It must have two engines and shielded air intakes. The problem isn’t Russians copying - the problem is Westerners accusing Russians of copying just because the plane has two wings and two engines. When your task is to develop a plane for SPECIFIC function - any designer free from dementia will arrive at similar results just because Russia and West are subject to same laws of physics. Grab a pencil and try to design a hand tool for effective digging that doesn’t look like a shovel! Most of the time Westerners cant imagine that Russians have designed something better - so they let loose with the accusation. Just try to see past that. I, for one, already got used to that. Yes, that's the usual fallacy. So often seen here. Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Wasn't the yf 22 the prototype for the f22? Yes, but the YF-22 design was updated and redesigned for the the production F-22. Amusing that those conceptual illustrations look not like a production machine, but a 17-year old prototype. To achieve stealth...It must have two engines It must have two? It can't have one? Or four? Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 (edited) Amusing that those conceptual illustrations look not like a production machine, but a 17-year old prototype. But then again, they have probably nothing to do with the reality. They are conceptual illustrations - partly made to amuse. Edited June 28, 2007 by janman Link to post Share on other sites
BjornB17 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 i'm just going to make the assumption that the images were created as a joke and are not actually what a russia 5th gen plane would look like. Link to post Share on other sites
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