Zmey Smirnoff Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 MiG-21UM look great. Whoa... there isnt enough beer in the world for me to like 21UM. Imho, its one of the ugliest planes made in Russia. Link to post Share on other sites
Will7813 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Definitley singles. Will Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Imho, its one of the ugliest planes made in Russia. *cough*Yak-38U*couch* ;-) Cheers, Andre Link to post Share on other sites
Aggressor Supporter Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Mostly like single seaters, but I think there are some planes that the two seater looks better than the single seat version, like the Super Hornet. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose135 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Single-seaters all the way. All two-seaters look like trainers to me. Can never take them seriously :) I see what you mean Link to post Share on other sites
Zmey Smirnoff Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 I see what you mean You dont have to see what I mean. I wasnt trying to change your mind, buddy. Now just imagine how badass the Tomcat would look without the greenhouse-for-two? You dig? Link to post Share on other sites
Moose135 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 You dont have to see what I mean. I wasnt trying to change your mind, buddy. Now just imagine how badass the Tomcat would look without the greenhouse-for-two? You dig? I was just teasing a little bit. I don't think the Tomcat would look right as a single seater. Maybe it's because I've always seen it as a twin, but I like the lines of the canopy, it fits the aircraft. Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 One of the early designs of the Tomcat was of a single seat, fixed wing design ... Early designs of the F-4 also were of the single seat variety as well since it started life as an improved "Super" Demon ... Gregg Link to post Share on other sites
Sig Saur & Son Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 DUH! Link to post Share on other sites
FAR148 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Now just imagine how badass the Tomcat would look without the greenhouse-for-two? You dig? Two sets of eyes are better than one. Steven L Link to post Share on other sites
bigpaul Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 For the record, I DO prefer 4-seaters to 2-seaters :) Isnt the prowler kinda like the family truckster from "vacation"? Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Sander Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Isnt the prowler kinda like the family truckster from "vacation"? No fake wood on the sides... :) Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 The best thing about flying single seat fighters is the quality of the social experience. Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Sander Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 The best thing about flying single seat fighters is the quality of the social experience. And this from a guy who's never been in the same cockpit as me after chili night. Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 And this from a guy who's never been in the same cockpit as me after chili night. Ah, so this is the real reason for the intended retrofit of Prowlers with an On-Board Oxygen Generation System (OBOGS). LINKY. Of special interest is #4. I quote: On-board Oxygen Generation System (OBOGS). The EA-6B is one of two remaining non-OBOGS equipped combat aircraft that will be integral to carrier air wings in the near future. It is known that Prowler crews regularly run out of oxygen during the long missions that are now the norm. According to a conservative Department of Defense (DoD) studies, there is a projected 10-year cost avoidance in excess of $33 million and a 3:1 payback on investment after OBOGS retrofit. It is imperative that these aircraft be equipped with the same “slimline†OBOGS, at a cost of an additional $9 million, as used in current F/A-18 aircraft in order to operate aboard CVN-77 and subsequent carriers Well, I guess we know about the real reason now... Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Sander Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 (edited) OK, seriously, don't get me started on OBOGS. Contractor no. 1: "Let's think of a sneaky, insidious way to crash multi-million dollar airplanes for no other good reason.... so much the better if we can make it so the aircrew doesn't realize what's going on, fails to eject, and rides it in...." Contractor no. : "Have I got an idea for you..." I'm not kidding - whoever invented OBOGS should be hanged, drawn and quartered. And that's my charitable opinion. Edited September 20, 2007 by Karl Sander Link to post Share on other sites
Su-34 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 I like them both. Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Very keen, Gregg! You are right, 31 is my fav - but the second pit on that plane is so obscure that it doesnt take away from the single-seat beauty of the aircraft. Same thing with the SR-71. True, there's the A-11, which is a single seat, but like the MiG-31, the SR-71's back seat is integrated with the rest of the aircraft. Now the SR-71B trainer on the other hand...ugh! Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Sander Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 We have OBOGS on the -22. Actually, it works quite well. Of course, I find it a little disconcerting that the first indication of a major electrical problem is the inability to breathe....We get a big honking ICAW with deedle-deedle tones if the OBOGS fails though. The number and nature of OBOGS HAZREPS from Hornet land makes quite a lot of us wonder who the HELL thought this was a good idea. Link to post Share on other sites
bigpaul Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 (edited) Without a backseater who would a pilot team up with to play beach volleyball against his archnemisis? And have your back in situations like this? Edited September 21, 2007 by bigpaul Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 "One of these days, Ice, one of these days... bang, zoom, straight to the moon!" Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Sander Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I had this baby up to mach 3 yesterday You did NOT have a 727 up to mach 3. Well, I SHAVED with a mach 3... Link to post Share on other sites
bigpaul Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Check it out Iceman Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 The number and nature of OBOGS HAZREPS from Hornet land makes quite a lot of us wonder who the HELL thought this was a good idea. Ah. Well, I admittedly have heard that the OBOGS on the Hornet sucks. If it were on a CF-18, I suppose it would blow dead bears. Link to post Share on other sites
HokieSNFO Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 (edited) I had this baby up to mach 3 yesterday You did NOT have a 727 up to mach 3. Well, I SHAVED with a mach 3... "you guys are dangerous" Edited September 21, 2007 by HokieSNFO Link to post Share on other sites
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