Sig Saur & Son Posted July 19, 2010 Author Share Posted July 19, 2010 Wonder if the plate in my ankle came from a Tomcat? Ah who knows . . . Ves :lol: Say whatever comes to mind. Nothing currently in the fleet can fly as fast, as far and deliver as much weaponry with greater accuracy than a Tomcat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vesper Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Or with so much style! Ves Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Say whatever comes to mind. Nothing currently in the fleet can fly as fast, as far and deliver as much weaponry with greater accuracy than a Tomcat. And trhe Tomcat didn't have as many weapons at it's disposal as does the Hornet family ... Harpoon, SLAM, SLAM-ER, HARM, Maverick, JSOW, AIM-120, etc ... Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sig Saur & Son Posted July 20, 2010 Author Share Posted July 20, 2010 And trhe Tomcat didn't have as many weapons at it's disposal as does the Hornet family ... Harpoon, SLAM, SLAM-ER, HARM, Maverick, JSOW, AIM-120, etc ... Gregg All a matter of software, simple software. Face it Bug lovers, they are just bomb trucks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 All a matter of software, simple software. Face it Bug lovers, they are just bomb trucks. It's more than just software ... Weapons have to be tested on a platform to see how they react together ... And that's all the Tomcat became in the end ... A bomb truck ... They shoulda slapped the "A" on the VF Squadrons back around 2000 ... Hornets shot down Fixed wing aircraft in ODS ... And carried on to their appointed strike targets ... Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jinxter13 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) And trhe Tomcat didn't have as many weapons at it's disposal as does the Hornet family ... Harpoon, SLAM, SLAM-ER, HARM, Maverick, JSOW, AIM-120, etc ... Gregg No, and the SH advocates made sure they didn't get the chance for Testvals, to prove that they could either :blink: :P T - Takes O - On M - Multiple C - Challenges A - Adjusts T - Terminates Edited July 20, 2010 by Angels49 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sig Saur & Son Posted July 20, 2010 Author Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Well, Hornets do fly and impressive air show routine. I'll grant 'em that. And, if there's nothing hanging on the wings or fuselage, they can even go fast during said routine. Faster than even an A-10, LOL. Edited July 20, 2010 by Sig Saur & Son Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mynameismatt Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Hornets shot down Fixed wing aircraft in ODS ... And carried on to their appointed strike targets ... ;) "The tomcat only shot down a heli but the hornet bagged two jets during ODS" I get it. But thats a crappy argument. If you want to argue fixed wing then the tomcat has shot down four fixed wing aircraft during its career, compared to the hornet's two. Edited July 20, 2010 by mynameismatt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Hornets shot down Fixed wing aircraft in ODS ... And carried on to their appointed strike targets ... ;) Gregg Ahh, Gregg. You've walked right into the trap. As per the discussion elsewhere, do you know why the Hornets were able to shoot down said fixed wing aircraft? Because they were shooting fish in a barrel. The Iraqi bogies were flying in a straight-line dash, not even attempting to manuever. Guess what they were running from? You got it. F-14's from VF-74 and -103 out in front of a strike package. The Iraqi's apparently came in between the two groups, and the Tomcats turned around. When the Iraqi pilots got painted by the AWG-9, they turned tail and ran as fast as they could, right into said strike package. Hence, the Hornet drivers merely reaped what the Tomcat drivers sowed. Had they engaged the Tomcats, it would have been the F-14's with the kills. In regards to not getting any fixed-wing kills in ODS, the AF was running the show. They were tasking the F-15's with all the prime target areas. Also, there was more than one Eagle driver who commented that they got kills because the Iraqi's were running from Tomcats. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Tomcat wasn't the end all, be all of a fighter, but it wasn't the imposter that some people make it out to be. It sure did spook the Iraqis, and they had first hand knowledge of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sig Saur & Son Posted July 20, 2010 Author Share Posted July 20, 2010 I think the Iragi AF may have something to say about the Tomcat's A2A scoreboard. Seems they were scared to death of the type during ODS due in part to the *** kicking received during the Iran-Iraq war. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Well, Hornets do fly and impressive air show routine. I'll grant 'em that. And, if there's nothing hanging on the wings or fuselage, they can even go fast during said routine.Faster than even an A-10, LOL. Just as fast as any Tomcat Airshow Routine ... "The tomcat only shot down a heli but the hornet bagged two jets during ODS" I get it. But thats a crappy argument. If you want to argue fixed wing then the tomcat has shot down four fixed wing aircraft during its career, compared to the hornet's two. That was in response to Dave calling the Hornet just a bomb truck ... As I pointed out, The Hornets shot down two fixed wing aircraft (MiG-21s) and continued on to their appointed strike targets ... Self Escort, just as advertised ... You misquoted me, here is what I said: Hornets shot down Fixed wing aircraft in ODS ... And carried on to their appointed strike targets ... Look, I don't want to have this fine thread degenerate into an argument thread, so this is my last post on this matter in this thread ... Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Look, I don't want to have this fine thread degenerate into an argument thread, so this is my last post on this matter in this thread ... Gregg Ahh, you took all the fun out of it just as we were getting warmed up! :huh: It really won't matter in a few years, because the legacy Hornets will be gone as well. Then we can all argue about what's better, the SH or the Lightning! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 this is funny because i come hear to look at pictures and learn of different types tomcats not argue if i want that i could argue with my ex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 88 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 It's never coming back guys. Just give it up.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacksdad Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Or with so much style!Ves B) Amen to that. And lets be honest, if you were a Mig driver would you hang around to mess with the Cat? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacksdad Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 this is funny because i come hear to look at pictures and learn of different types tomcats not argue if i want that i could argue with my ex And as if by magic............................. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 It's never coming back guys. Just give it up.... Ooh, it's a razor blade so we can slit our wrists at the demise of the Tomcat! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HOLMES Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 And as if by magic............................. B) :wub: :wub: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacksdad Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Ooh, it's a razor blade so we can slit our wrists at the demise of the Tomcat! Or maybe it's for cutting off a SH's balls? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Or maybe it's for cutting off a SH's balls? There's really nothing to cut off of the SH. No range, less power than the Legacy Hornet, and not much payload ability compared to the A-6, who's job it is supposed to do. I'd say it's already castrated! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jinxter13 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 In regards to the ongoing discussion about said combatants..F-14/F-18. There are as many devout and sometimes overzealous Hornet lovers as there are Tomcat folks. So, if we agree to disagree and keep on supporting our favorite whichever it is; it's all good; To go to battle everytime a comparison arises; this will never end, and those who participate waste valuable time that could be spent gathering info if needed and working on our next project. We love them because of what each can do, and in most cases very well. Though some may not admit it there are qualities about each that the prospective debaters admire. Both are admirable to me, and would love to sit in the back office of either. The next time you take shave it should be an honor if that razor blade is from a Tomcat, as it may be a part of one of those Tomcats that Stood on the vanguard with those protecting our freedom for a very long time; a job that the Hornet is now doing valiantly with full knowledge that it has a very strong tradition to carry on. To those who are proponents of either, tell me that you haven't done or don't plan to do a model of the either. Me I love'em cuz they can fly....like few other aircraft can and do it extremely well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sig Saur & Son Posted July 21, 2010 Author Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) Subject change, Tomcats or Desert Shield/Storm, one or both, I don't care. Hard to believe it's been twenty years. Edited July 21, 2010 by Sig Saur & Son Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IrishGreek Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 I miss those birds. That's why I made the special trip to Tucson to see the boneyard. I just had to. You know, see the old girls one more time. Hope you all enjoyed the photos... I must admit, the 2 seat SH's are growing on me, but the Tomcat is always going to be my bird... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacksdad Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 In regards to the ongoing discussion about said combatants..F-14/F-18. There are as many devout and sometimes overzealous Hornet lovers as there are Tomcat folks. So, if we agree to disagree and keep on supporting our favorite whichever it is; it's all good; To go to battle everytime a comparison arises; this will never end, and those who participate waste valuable time that could be spent gathering info if needed and working on our next project. We love them because of what each can do, and in most cases very well. Though some may not admit it there are qualities about each that the prospective debaters admire. Both are admirable to me, and would love to sit in the back office of either. The next time you take shave it should be an honor if that razor blade is from a Tomcat, as it may be a part of one of those Tomcats that Stood on the vanguard with those protecting our freedom for a very long time; a job that the Hornet is now doing valiantly with full knowledge that it has a very strong tradition to carry on.To those who are proponents of either, tell me that you haven't done or don't plan to do a model of the either. Me I love'em cuz they can fly....like few other aircraft can and do it extremely well. Here, here!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-17fan Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Springfield, IL air show - 1989 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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