raptor22 Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Wow... this guy is a monster... I really wish, however, someone would make the Su-30 with the canards (was it MKI? sorry, don't know my flankers that well) http://www.hlj.com/hlj_gallery2/v/plamod20...ageViewsIndex=3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Midnight Storm Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Cool! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) Wow!! At first glance, they've got it right !!! I must not give in to temptation.... I must not give in to.... I must not give in.... I must not... :D Raptor22 - yes the PLAAF Su-30MKK does not have canards - but it does have big fins. The Indian AF (and now the Malaysian AF) operate the Su-30MKI (and MKM) - that does have canards, but smaller fins. It makes sense for Trumpeter to do the Chinese variant first.... Ken Edited October 19, 2007 by Flankerman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LoganTLR Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 HI Understanding it is just a Q&D shot of a pre production kit, it appears that the surface detailing is more subdued and somewhat finer. Still, I suspect it will be pushing $175.00 .. gack. Still looking fwd to seeing a larger scale canard Flanker ..ala Su-33 .. T Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mario krijan Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) yes for us flanker freaks is better option kit with canards, but is that correct kit?? Flankerman comments please!!! http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r177/ma...n/917531a-1.jpg Edited October 19, 2007 by mario krijan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Damn, that's a gorgeous model! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 yes for us flanker freaks is better option kit with canards, but is that correct kit?? Flankerman comments please!!! http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r177/ma...n/917531a-1.jpg Sorry Mario, I don't quite understand your post.... What do you want me to comment on ?? Is Trumpeter's kit a correct one ?? Or - what ?? Cheers Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mario krijan Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) Sorry Mario, I don't quite understand your post....What do you want me to comment on ?? Is Trumpeter's kit a correct one ?? Or - what ?? Cheers Ken yes Ken!! I want your opinion about that new kit :D my poor english Edited October 19, 2007 by mario krijan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 yes Ken!! I want your opinion about that new kit :D my poor english Your English is very good - much better than my Croatian !!! :D It is difficult to have an opinion about a new kit when all I have seen is a single photograph of some test shots... but here goes... It looks like Trumpeter have at least got the shape correct - much better than the single seater, which was awful, shape-wise The nose looks correct, the canopy is good and the intakes look to be correct - at least that's all I can tell from the photo. As for the variant - you can only make a KnAAPO-designed Su-30MKK as operated by the Chinese - or a Su-30MK2 (or MKV) as operated by Venezuela, or an Indonesian Su-30MK - at least so far. The other Su-30 operators - India & Malaysia - use the IAPO-designed variant with canards & TVC nozzles. It is difficult to convert the MKK into an MKI or MKM - you would have to add canards, a new fin and TVC nozzles - but at least the offset IRST, IFR probe and twin-wheel nosegear are the same on both versions. Let's wait and see what it is like when we get to see it released..... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnthonyWan Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) HOLY FLAMING BALLS OF FURY :D :D NOICEEEEEE Looks like they figured out the intakes and i see some really nice details on the landing gear and from what i can see of the pit it looks nice :) Edited October 19, 2007 by AnthonyWan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mario krijan Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Your English is very good - much better than my Croatian !!! :D It is difficult to have an opinion about a new kit when all I have seen is a single photograph of some test shots... but here goes... It looks like Trumpeter have at least got the shape correct - much better than the single seater, which was awful, shape-wise The nose looks correct, the canopy is good and the intakes look to be correct - at least that's all I can tell from the photo. As for the variant - you can only make a KnAAPO-designed Su-30MKK as operated by the Chinese - or a Su-30MK2 (or MKV) as operated by Venezuela, or an Indonesian Su-30MK - at least so far. The other Su-30 operators - India & Malaysia - use the IAPO-designed variant with canards & TVC nozzles. It is difficult to convert the MKK into an MKI or MKM - you would have to add canards, a new fin and TVC nozzles - but at least the offset IRST, IFR probe and twin-wheel nosegear are the same on both versions. Let's wait and see what it is like when we get to see it released..... Ken Thanks Ken!! i think you will say that!! Yes we must wait, and have finger crossed to see MKI &MKMs, otherwise we can follow your great posts!!! :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hornet78 Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Ken So I can't use this kit for the Russian #603 in the desert splinter camo paint ?? Jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mario krijan Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Ken So I can't use this kit for the Russian #603 in the desert splinter camo paint ?? Jim yes you can, but 603 have different vertical stabilizers (MKK have higher verticals in Su-35 style), 603 have one wheel on nose leg!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hornet78 Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Hey Mario I just found a pic of #603 on the web after I posted and those were the two things I found. Maybe I should cast my Su-27 nose gear and scratch build the tail tip extensions. Hummmm very interesting. Thanks Mario! Jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
svaz Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 ooooooowww. I just got a tingle ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) Hey Mario I just found a pic of #603 on the web after I posted and those were the two things I found. Maybe I should cast my Su-27 nose gear and scratch build the tail tip extensions. Hummmm very interesting. Thanks Mario! Jim As Mario says, you'd need to use the single-seat noseleg and replace the fins. If you're going to cast the leg, why not also cast the single-seat fin - after extending it at the base.... If you just cut back the MKK fin, the panel lines and rudder would be wrong. The Su-30MKK fin looks like this.. The single-seat fin looks like this.... The Su-27UB (and Su-30MK bort 603) fin looks like this.... As you can see the Su-27UB fin is the same as the single seater, but with a 425mm 'plug' at the base to increase the height. You would also need to incorporate cockpit differences.... HTH.... Ken Edited October 19, 2007 by Flankerman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnthonyWan Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 I guess it wouldnt be too hard to make a Su-30MKM out of this... Work out the LEXes, add canards, various antennas/fairings, and get some TVNs...:) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Josh1971 Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Dang- 1/48 scale screwed again. Hopefully we'll get another Flanker in 1/48 at some point that would be as nice as this looks. An Su-34 would be *really* nice. JB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haneto Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Some additional information,guys. The boxart will be a PLAAF scheme.(I have the pic but cannot find it somewhere in my hard disk) And both UB and 30 will include two schemes each. UB will be a RuAF and a Ukrainian AF(at least I recommended them the Ukrianian one,but they replied me that there's too little reference). 30 will be a PLAAF or another PLANF one? Yufei Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zactoman Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 The nose looks correct, the canopy is good and the intakes look to be correct - at least that's all I can tell from the photo.I'm anxiously awaiting that first royalty check! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hornet78 Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Ken Thanks for the info, but I think I would have to also add to the whole base of the tail plane after i added the plug since that will now boost the tail in height but leave a pretty big gap at the base thats not covered by the newly incerted plug. Now I'm not sure if I want to hassle with it. Jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Ken Thanks for the info, but I think I would have to also add to the whole base of the tail plane after i added the plug since that will now boost the tail in height but leave a pretty big gap at the base thats not covered by the newly incerted plug. Now I'm not sure if I want to hassle with it. Jim Well, if what Haneto reports is correct and they are also doing a RusAF Su-27UB - then that should include a single nosewheel plus the -UB fins. But.... a -UB would also need a different cockpit, windscreen (with central IRST) and no IFR probe Vairy eeeeeeenteresteeeeng...... :blink: Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 I'm anxiously awaiting that first royalty check! :blink: Chris, Although it looks like they've closed the door on any of your magnificent correction sets, there must be a great opportunity for you to do some conversion sets..... Canards, fins, TVC nozzles, aerials etc for a Su-30MKI/MKM Having then done the canards, include it with a new wing and noseleg to convert the single seat Su-27 into a naval Su-33 - (you'd have to include the nosecone, canopy and intakes as well). Then...... use the Trumpeter Su-30MKK fins & noseleg, your canards (plus all the canopy & intake corrections) and a new tailboom and nosecone - and bingo!! you could make a Su-35 (old style). There must be at least a spare 5-minutes in your busy day to get working on it....... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JP Vieira Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Excellent model: I can't wai to see it finished...please do it asap Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hornet78 Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 (edited) Chris,Although it looks like they've closed the door on any of your magnificent correction sets, there must be a great opportunity for you to do some conversion sets..... Canards, fins, TVC nozzles, aerials etc for a Su-30MKI/MKM Having then done the canards, include it with a new wing and noseleg to convert the single seat Su-27 into a naval Su-33 - (you'd have to include the nosecone, canopy and intakes as well). Then...... use the Trumpeter Su-30MKK fins & noseleg, your canards (plus all the canopy & intake corrections) and a new tailboom and nosecone - and bingo!! you could make a Su-35 (old style). There must be at least a spare 5-minutes in your busy day to get working on it....... Ken O ya and while your at it Chris you can make one of those anit-ship missiles for the Seaflanker to carry on it's centerline. :blink: Seriously can you imagine a 32nd Scale Sea Flanker! WOW. I think I would be game since I screwed up my SOL 48th conversion. Come on Chris Do it, Do it , Do it. Jim Edited October 20, 2007 by Hornet78 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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