Eastern Posted August 23, 2008 Share Posted August 23, 2008 Hi, Pete! Absolutely stunning build! Keen to see the complete thing. I' m sure that would be one of the most outstanding models ever seen. Go ahead, mate! Cheers! Alexander. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geedubelyer Posted August 23, 2008 Share Posted August 23, 2008 Hi Pig, If the CFT seals are similar to the Mudhen you might get away with some Evergreen strip. I used some thin plastic extrusion and glued it in stages taking care to fix each one a bit at a time. Polystyrene cement softens the plastic which allows you to create the dished effect to the joint. I remember using the rounded tip of a small paint brush handle to smooth the plastic strip down between the CFT and the fuselage. Tomorrow I'll have a look and let you know exactly which size I used if you like? HTH Terrific work on that cockpit BTW. Every time I look at it, it takes my breath away! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pete "Pig" Fleischmann Posted September 4, 2008 Author Share Posted September 4, 2008 Pete, as usual I am learning from you. Wonderful job on the cockpit and landing gear. One question about your painting before assembly. How can you get the paint to match if you paint one section then a couple of months later you paint the rest of the plane? Do you keep mixing ratios or what is your secret? I, being clumsy me, would be worried about ruining the first section of painting and then have to do some creative masking but not matching the previous colors?Thanks, Wayne Hey Quiddy! I'm sorry I never answered this question from a while back- I dont have any real secret for this, other than shooting the color straight out of the bottle, thinned about the same every time. I do use the same bottle of paint..ie I keep track of the particular bottle I used, and make sure I use the same one for follow-on painting. Doesn't happen too often, but I have had a situation or two when 2 bottles of the exact same paint looked different coming out of the airbrush :P If I have to mix paint for a special color, like the blues for my F-2A, then I mix up alot of it...more than I'll ever need, and split it into 2 separate empty bottles. I spill paint regularly (and Tenax...I now epoxy my Tenax bottles to a big, flat piece of wood) Hope that helps! Regards, Pig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quiddy Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Thanks for the information. Good to know for the future. Wayne Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spad Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 There is really so much to learn from modelers like you Great job Pete! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Wolstenholme Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Hi Pete. Terrific work as always, I am in need of a little inspiration at the moment. I’ve made a note of your Aires NG bay comments for future reference. Similar to Guy, I used strips of 5 thou card to simulate the CFTs seal on the F-15E; these look fairly flat when looking at the photos in the Lock-On book. Real glad to see you have gone for the wicked-cool look. Trust you are making progress with the Foxtrot Two Alpha nose. I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read that. Regards John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pete "Pig" Fleischmann Posted September 20, 2008 Author Share Posted September 20, 2008 Hi Pete. Terrific work as always, I am in need of a little inspiration at the moment. I’ve made a note of your Aires NG bay comments for future reference. Similar to Guy, I used strips of 5 thou card to simulate the CFTs seal on the F-15E; these look fairly flat when looking at the photos in the Lock-On book.Real glad to see you have gone for the wicked-cool look. Trust you are making progress with the Foxtrot Two Alpha nose. I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read that. Regards John Thanks John, The .005 strips worked like a champ-Many thanks to you and Guy for helping me solve a puzzler, again! The 2-seater is all painted up...mostly. A few touch-ups and it will be ready for a gloss coat. My wife has got the camera with her on a business trip, so I'll have to wait a few more days to get some photos posted.. On those days, when the challenges of pulling the F-2 together seem to stop forward progress... when I say to myself "what is the solution to this problem?" I always look to others for inspiration-Modelers like you John, Guy, Skyking, FrankC, Zacto, so many of you. Every one of my builds has a bit of all of you in them, because I learn so much from other modelers. I'm continually amazed at the innovation that others are capable of-I don't think I've ever come up with any technique or solution that anyone could say "wow, I've never seen that before!" All that I am as a modeler I've begged, borrowed, and stolen from better modelers than myself! Glad you got a chuckle from my story. Modelers are a strange breed, aren't we? Love your mother country BTW-Always my favorite place to visit-The people are wonderful. As a pilot with a very German last name, it is always somewhat surreal to get a cockpit view of London in the summer. Warm regards, Pig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FrankC Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 oh boy Pig! Man this is something special! I will certainly be looking forward to seeing how you pull this one off. Regards, Frank Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Wolstenholme Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 (i) All that I am as a modeler I've begged, borrowed, and stolen from better modelers than myself! (ii) Modelers are a strange breed, aren't we? (i) Yeah, right Pete. A well known saying comes to mind. "on bells the one other has pull it" (ii) The Aussies have a good description. They're (we're) a weird mob. Regards John ps Chq is in the post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pete "Pig" Fleischmann Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 Hello boys, ..Took the first pass at this jet with the airbrush the other day-I've got a lot more work to do from here on the paint, but I'm getting there! One of the things I've noticed with some camo's-and it is really pronounced on the Polish jets, is the dark demarcation between the 2 colors. If you look closely, the darker color frequently gets darker right before the transition to the lighter color. It's as if the outline of the darker pattern was sprayed in at a shade darker before the rest of the pattern was filled in. It is more obvious on large, flat painted surfaces, like the vertical tail. Why this is, I don't know, but looking at my references I tried to replicate this paint effect on those areas of the jet where it was most pronounced. The model was pre-shaded first with Floquil Grimy Black. The camo pattern was lightly drawn on the model with pencil. The light gray was painted first. I used blue tac just outside the pencil lines to set up the color transition. Before spraying the darker grey, I went around the inside perimeter of the blue tac with floquil grimy black-essentially pre-shading the transition between greys-again, only in those spots that matched my references. Here's a look: And the belly-Nose well not weathered yet- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PavelS Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Looks good and very realistic! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
afterburner Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Pete, is it a soft transition between the Floquil Grimy Black and the dark gray or is it a hard line with the dark gray oversprayed a little to soften it? It looks phenomenal! You obviously ended up doing something with the seals, was it what Guy recommended? Superb job, as always! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rafael Winter Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Wow Pete this is really nice paint job you´ve started... I could see the Israeli scheme in a F-16I... If a had your skills... cheers Rafael Winter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Tavendale Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Outfrickenstanding! I love the seal around the CFT's too.. looks beautiful. Really is a stunner mate. Every time I see a dual seat F-16 I grow more partial to 'em Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pete "Pig" Fleischmann Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 (edited) Pete, is it a soft transition between the Floquil Grimy Black and the dark gray or is it a hard line with the dark gray oversprayed a little to soften it? It looks phenomenal! You obviously ended up doing something with the seals, was it what Guy recommended? Hey Burner- Check out this link- Polish Viper You can really see the effect on the vertical tail. (Interesting too, you'll see AIM-9X, old, "Low Speed" TER, and Sniper/Pantera pod) Also, I rummaged through the Evergreen box and found some strip stock, and just tacked it at one end with super glue, then slowly put it down along the perimeter of the CFT's with Tenax..I used some folded lead foil for some of the fatter portions. Simple! Regards, Pig Edited September 29, 2008 by Pete "Pig" Fleischmann Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Wow, looking Fantastic Pete ! Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CW4 Erick Swanberg Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Looking sharp as always Pete Erick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skyking Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Looks great even before your masterful weathering Pete. Between you and Guy the Viper is well represented. Cheers Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geedubelyer Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Lovely paint job Pig :) You have a keen eye. Now that you've mentioned the demarcation line between the colours I can see exactly what you mean and comparing your model to reference piics shows,....you've nailed it buddy Great stuff,.....the colours look perfect from your pictures. Glad you sorted the CFT seal out too. Little details like that make a big difference in this scale. I'm super impressed by the way the spine looks now. It matches the rest of the model to a tee. Very neat scratch-building. She's shaping up beautifully. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Youngtiger1 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Pig, you are amazing! This build is looking awesome and I'm jealous :) ...j/k keep it coming Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jester292 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Pig, it should be no surprise that I think this is one great looking Viper. Keep up the good work, can't wait to see more. Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pete "Pig" Fleischmann Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 Thanks you guys! Been busy with the paintwork.....still. I'll post some recent pics-Getting closer! I'm accumulating a big pile of stuff: Still tweeking the sniper (sounds obscene, doesn't it ) The FMS Block 52 has a different nose gear door structure-working on that- Just paint and drybrush here so far- Better pic of these- Thanks for looking! Pig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
upupandaway Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Ouch!!! That´s one hell of a cockpit and wheelbays! I gotta go through this whole build again, but much slower and check all those magnificent details. The effect on the camouflage is interesting. Is this also the case with other types of aircraft serving in the polish air force? It has an interesting look and I believe you will just do extremely well finishing it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Girolamo LORUSSO Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 super! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doctorpepper Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Pig, actually it's just the newer Block 52+s that have the different Nose Landing Gear door structure. I suspect the change is coupled with the increased nosewheel size, which allows the max takeoff weight to be 52000lbs. those manufactured in maybe, FY 99?? and before that, have the "old" nose gear door Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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