Phantom ordie Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 How about a discussion to examine the best ways to finish the bare metal sections at the rear of the Phantom. I've been told Alclad is the best. What are some of the other metalizers that some of you have used? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantom Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I just use the stuff from model master. Exhaust and burnt metal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhino53 Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 How about a discussion to examine the best ways to finish the bare metal sections at the rear of the Phantom. I've been told Alclad is the best. What are some of the other metalizers that some of you have used? As I prefer acrylics, I have tried a few things. My current method is a base coat of Tamiya Titanium Silver, with a dark metallic grey from Citadel Colour to vary the colours a bit, and Tamiya Gunmetal for the burnt bit under the rear fuselage. There is no real 'correct' way, as each Phantom seems to be different. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhino53 Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 I've just been painting my rear end (take that how you like ) so I took some pics. Hope these are of help. First is the Tamiya Titanium silver Next is Citadel colours boltgun metal to give a bit of contrast. Then Tamiya Gunmetal for the bottom area. Finish it off with matt varnish. Ted Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RookieLSP Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 I was very intimidated by all metalizers at first but finally just bit the bullet and tried Alclad. I'm very glad that I did! I used the aluminum as the base and their jet exhaust for the burned areas. That exhaust color is really great! Results: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom ordie Posted June 7, 2008 Author Share Posted June 7, 2008 Looking good! Having worked around the Navy version for a number of years I noticed the tail hook was always a flat sooty black from the exhaust burn. The afterburner burn is pretty violent in that area. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twhite80 Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 I am using Alcrad on my rear end! What makes this model better than any of the others I have done so far is to use the Tamiya weatherin set and use the "soot". I just rub it in with the little applicator, maybe throw in a little rust here and there to give it a brown hue and it seems to be the closest thing I have gotten yet. The real bonus for me is that unlike the Model Master Metalizer, the Alclad is very durable. You can mask over it, you can rub it, no finger prints, no chipping. But be sure to use the gloss black primer. I thought that it wouldn't matter, surprise! it does! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UKPonchoMan Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) Another approach, which I'm quite pleased with... What I've done is to spray the darker panels with Alclad black primer, then a coat of honey primer over the whole lot. I then sprayed (I think!!) Alclad polished aluminium over the top lightly enough for the black primer to show through... Just need to finish off by pencilling in the panel lines and rubbing some graphite into the bottom section... Edited June 9, 2008 by UKPonchoMan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jenshb Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 What does the Alclad Honey Primer do Chris? Always wondered that... BTW, nice paintjob on your F-4 - the demarcation lines look just right. Jens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UKPonchoMan Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 The honey primer is almost like gloss varnish - so it gives a nice smooth coat for the alclad to stick to... But if you put some black panels under the honey coat, they show through the alclad as above... Minimal effort and saves loads of masking ;o) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UKPonchoMan Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 And this is what it looks like now... Graphite weathered and with pencilled in panel lines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Starbuck Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Here is the method I used on my F-4J: I used MM burnt metal on the cans, then drybrushed some silver on them... ...followed by a oil wash of heavilly thinned lamp black... I used Alclad polished aluminum over a primer coat of Tamiya gloss black(decanted from the spray can) and then sprayed a mixture of Tamiya smoke and Tamiya brown over the "lines" to give a sooty look. I also drybrushed some more silver over the burner cans after the wash. Here was the final result: Hope this helps! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom ordie Posted July 1, 2008 Author Share Posted July 1, 2008 Best looking rear end I've seen yet. Very impressive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dax Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Best looking rear end I've seen yet. Very impressive. Maybe you need to get out more often.... Seriously, geat looking tail on dat der bird! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom ordie Posted July 1, 2008 Author Share Posted July 1, 2008 Maybe you need to get out more often.... Seriously, geat looking tail on dat der bird! At my age Phantom rear ends impress me more than the other kind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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