Hereford BEEF Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Hello all I remember seeing a photo on the internet of an M1 Abrams driving(jumping?) over a half buried Mig 25. if anyone has it could they post it up please. BEEF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rigid Rotorhead Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Hello allI remember seeing a photo on the internet of an M1 Abrams driving(jumping?) over a half buried Mig 25. if anyone has it could they post it up please. BEEF Not having seen any such photo, I certainly cannot say for sure, but from the sound of it, I imagine it might be one that someone altered with Photoshop or a similar computer program. The reason being, (1) I cannot imagine an M-1 Abrams jumping over much of ANYTHING given its gross weight, and (2) the only MiG-25 I know of that was ever half-buried in the sand is the one the U.S. discovered hidden in the Iraqi desert about two years or so ago. Fortunately for me, since I live in Dayton, that particular one is in the process of being restored here at the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force. I often see it parked outside one of the hangars on base. At this point, it's missing one of its tailfins and both of its wings...but it's standing on its own undercarriage! Per a conversation I had with the Museum Director, the wings have yet to be found. I would imagine they'll eventually acquire a set of wings elsewhere for the restoration, since the Foxbat is all but retired from service around the world. Cheers, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhinotank Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Not having seen any such photo, I certainly cannot say for sure, but from the sound of it, I imagine it might be one that someone altered with Photoshop or a similar computer program. The reason being, (1) I cannot imagine an M-1 Abrams jumping over much of ANYTHING given its gross weight, and (2) the only MiG-25 I know of that was ever half-buried in the sand is the one the U.S. discovered hidden in the Iraqi desert about two years or so ago. Fortunately for me, since I live in Dayton, that particular one is in the process of being restored here at the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force. I often see it parked outside one of the hangars on base. At this point, it's missing one of its tailfins and both of its wings...but it's standing on its own undercarriage! Per a conversation I had with the Museum Director, the wings have yet to be found. I would imagine they'll eventually acquire a set of wings elsewhere for the restoration, since the Foxbat is all but retired from service around the world.Cheers, I've not seen the picture in question, but I for one can assure you that you can get a M1A1 airborne! I "once knew a tank 2nd Lt" who got his tank airborne after jumping a road embankment. Hit it at about 45 MPH. Let's just say that it's an impressive feat to get 68 Tons airborne!! Very interesting to look to my left and see my Loader floating half way out of his turret hatch, and the 5 gallon cans of grease floating above the bustle rack on the back of the turret. Of course the landing was EPIC...S@*t flying everywhere off the tank, me and the loader got slammed into the edge of the hatches, and I could hear the gunner screaming like a little girl as he bounced around his compartment, but it kept on rolling and didn't miss a beat. Only 2 things would have made it better. 1 A video of it, 2. Having a General Lee horn playing as we flew thru the air! I also learned that if you ever get talked into running over a car by your crew in the middle of the Israeli desert, that you should go over it slowly, and not at 35 MPH's. We hit the old junked car and it just disappeared under the tank. Didn't feel a thing, that was until I turned around and my heart stopped. The car was not smashed on the ground as I expected, but rather 10 feet ABOVE the tank and coming back down towards us!. Apparently, hitting it that fast caused it to wrap in a U shape around the track, then at the end, it got thrown up into the air with a forward vector...needless to say I had a few choice words that motivated my young CPL driver to punch it and we cleared the falling debris by less than a foot. That would've been a tough one to explain coming back to camp with a crushed car on top of the turret! Tank Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pinhead Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 lol that sounds awesome !! I love hearing first hand stories like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hereford BEEF Posted June 19, 2008 Author Share Posted June 19, 2008 Hmmmm Don't remeber it too well so can't say if it was a photoshop but it ceratinly looked real. if i find it i'll post it up for your opinions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hereford BEEF Posted June 19, 2008 Author Share Posted June 19, 2008 I found it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 I found it! Clearly not any aviation freaks... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Clearly not any aviation freaks... Tankers are usually "Tread-Heads" ... Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Diamond Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Two things I thought when I saw this pic 1. Wow, that's a pretty cool pic. 2. Shame they ran over a perfectly good aircraft that could have been put in a museum. I don't think #1 is worth having at the price of #2. That's a MiG-31 right? or a 25? Either way, the MiG-25 at the NMUSAF is missing wings. MiG-25 Restoration The aircraft on exhibit, a MiG-25RB, was found in 2003 by American forces buried in the sand near Al Taqaddum Airbase 250km west of Baghdad during the opening months of Operation Iraqi Freedom. The MiG-25 was buried to prevent its destruction on the ground by coalition aircraft. The aircraft was recovered incomplete--the wings could not be located and the vertical stabilizers were removed for transport. The aircraft arrived at the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force in 2006. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 I've not seen the picture in question, but I for one can assure you that you can get a M1A1 airborne!I "once knew a tank 2nd Lt" who got his tank airborne after jumping a road embankment. Hit it at about 45 MPH. Let's just say that it's an impressive feat to get 68 Tons airborne!! Very interesting to look to my left and see my Loader floating half way out of his turret hatch, and the 5 gallon cans of grease floating above the bustle rack on the back of the turret. Of course the landing was EPIC...S@*t flying everywhere off the tank, me and the loader got slammed into the edge of the hatches, and I could hear the gunner screaming like a little girl as he bounced around his compartment, but it kept on rolling and didn't miss a beat. Only 2 things would have made it better. 1 A video of it, 2. Having a General Lee horn playing as we flew thru the air! I also learned that if you ever get talked into running over a car by your crew in the middle of the Israeli desert, that you should go over it slowly, and not at 35 MPH's. We hit the old junked car and it just disappeared under the tank. Didn't feel a thing, that was until I turned around and my heart stopped. The car was not smashed on the ground as I expected, but rather 10 feet ABOVE the tank and coming back down towards us!. Apparently, hitting it that fast caused it to wrap in a U shape around the track, then at the end, it got thrown up into the air with a forward vector...needless to say I had a few choice words that motivated my young CPL driver to punch it and we cleared the falling debris by less than a foot. That would've been a tough one to explain coming back to camp with a crushed car on top of the turret! Tank You knows it's going to be a good story when it starts out with a 2nd Lt......never ever underestimate the power of a Zero..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Impatient Pete Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Clearly not any aviation freaks... Maybe they're just not MiG freaks? ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 (edited) That's a MiG-31 right? No it is not. Because: 1: Irak never had MiG-31. 2: MiG-31 is two seater 3: Nose is completly different shape from MiG-31 R.I.P Foxbat... :) PS: Anyone know what verson of Foxbat is it? PS 2: T-80 jumping AND fire shoot at same time: Edited June 19, 2008 by Berkut Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hereford BEEF Posted June 19, 2008 Author Share Posted June 19, 2008 It may be a sad end..... But a perfect diorama! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Tank is right. Whenever a story starts with "I saw this Second Lieutenat with a map in his hand...." You know its going to be crazy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John B Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 (edited) I've not seen the picture in question, but I for one can assure you that you can get a M1A1 airborne!......Tank Did that 2ndLT get log that flight time in his logbook? Gee... I might know someone who was in 2nd Tanks at Lejeune to get more sordid details about that certain 2ndLT! ;) Edited June 20, 2008 by John Bibay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_baphomet_00 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 PS: Anyone know what verson of Foxbat is it? I think its a MiG-25RB variant.. the RB particular antiglare panel denotes that... BTW, any clue on its serial number; 25109 may be?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherC Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I don't mean to cry photoshop, but could an aircraft really support the weight of an M1 on its spine like that? Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elmerfudd94 Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 dont think that the tank is going slow enough for the plane to know it is there. and yes, those things will get airborne. take the governer off and see what it will do, before it throws the track off Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hazmatt Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I found it! :) I bet that started with, "Hey, hold my beer!" Matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buck Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Awesome pic, pretty sure it's straight up. I'm just amazed by the strength of the MiG; of course it does seem to be supported by a lot of earth... Still pretty impressive. I'm also pretty sure the Abrams didn’t "jump" off the other side; you can see an earth ramp waiting to receive the 60+ ton behemoth. At least they max elevated the gun in anticipation of the landing on the other side... I for one have buried an Abrams muzzle & MRS, not fun; thankfully it didn't end up out of battery. As for the Abrams being able to jump things... It most certainly can. I accidently got a lot of air driving an M-1IP at NTC many, many years ago. It was super cool until we (the crew) had to replace a couple of hydro-pneumatic shocks! The Abrams is an amazing tank, I sometimes miss crewing one. Regarding the MiG crushing... I doubt it was done maliciously, they were probably told to destroy it & someone wanted to have some fun. Thank goodness they didn’t run over a Tomcat, I’d hate to see what that reaction would have been like! ;) Ahui hou Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Did that 2ndLT get log that flight time in his logbook?Hey! I wonder who we know who served in 1st or 2nd tanks to get more sordid details about that 2ndLT? ;) You know there is this one Gunny I do know.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Tank is right. Whenever a story starts with "I saw this Second Lieutenat with a map in his hand...."You know its going to be crazy. Whoa whoa that's not get all crazy and start handing butter bars maps now......a SNCO somewhere failed if the LT has a map, nothing good ever comes of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John B Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 You know there is this one Gunny I do know.... Darn it! I can't keep up with you guys. You still got access to that Gunny's cruisebook from that Med-float? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Darn it! I can't keep up with you guys. You still got access to that Gunny's cruisebook from that Med-float? It is only a phone call away.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Diamond Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 1: Irak never had MiG-31. 2: MiG-31 is two seater 3: Nose is completly different shape from MiG-31 Ah, thanks for the information. I think the_baphomet is probably correct since the one at the NMUSAF is also a -25RB. Even more of a shame if it's the same since, as I mentioned, there goes some wings that could have contributed to their museum piece. I think its a MiG-25RB variant.. the RB particular antiglare panel denotes that...BTW, any clue on its serial number; 25109 may be?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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