Any interest in a 1/48 F-86K?

[MoFo]

E-Mail Revellogram.

Edited June 23, 2008 by MoFo

[Harold]

I have been contacted by Jennings Heilig.....

Something is odd here.

The fuselage definitely short. They didn't extend it at all. Just a gun nose.

I will make an offer to anyone that gets it from e-bay. If you allow me to borrow it for a time, I will (Maybe) use it as a reference. I will then send it back unharmed with a corrected resin fuselage. It may take a long time to get it done though.

I need someone that has the ability to cast them for me. My equipment isn't up to the longer fuselage.

Cheers,

Harold

[Harold]

E-Mail Revellogram.

Just sent a message to them about it.

Thanks,

Harold

[j-basset]

How about a CAC version?

That would be the Australian Avon Sabre?

In that case, I think a whole bunch of Malaysian modellers will love you for it.

There are a whole bunch of gate guards and preserved Avon Sabres here in Malaysia, including 2 at the RMAF museum.

Let me know if you need anything in the way of photos, or measurements.

[Harold]

That would be the Australian Avon Sabre?

In that case, I think a whole bunch of Malaysian modellers will love you for it.

There are a whole bunch of gate guards and preserved Avon Sabres here in Malaysia, including 2 at the RMAF museum.

Let me know if you need anything in the way of photos, or measurements.

That's the one. There is a conversion for it already, but according to a mate in 'Stralia, it's a bit of a bugger.

[Harold]

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16347

[SteveC68]

Yes the CAC Sabre has been done. It's from Red Roo models and is a bit of a pooch. It's a low pressure injected kit. The masters were obviously a slightly reworked Hasegawa Sabre. In a direct side by side comparison you can see that they reworked the Hasegawa kit and then made the tooling (tooling resin I guess) from this 'master'. There are certain marks/imperfections of the Hasegawa kit that show up in the conversion parts. I've certainly seen better full fuselage conversions in resin. Wurger Mechanic D-11 comes to mind. Still with some TLC you can build an Avon sabre although you will be doing a lot work to get a good surface for natural metal.

Steve

P.S. I'm the one that started the post on HS about the F-86K on ebay. I sent an email to Revell asking them to please release this plastic. I would encourage others to email them as well.

Edited June 23, 2008 by SteveC68

[Harold]

Yes the CAC Sabre has been done. It's from Red Roo models and is a bit of a pooch. It's a low pressure injected kit. The masters were obviously a slightly reworked Hasegawa Sabre. In a direct side by side comparison you can see that they reworked the Hasegawa kit and then made the tooling (tooling resin I guess) from this 'master'. There are certain marks/imperfections of the Hasegawa kit that show up in the conversion parts. I've certainly seen better full fuselage conversions in resin. Wurger Mechanic D-11 comes to mind. Still with some TLC you can build an Avon sabre although you will be doing a lot work to get a good surface for natural metal.

Steve

P.S. I'm the one that started the post on HS about the F-86K on ebay. I sent an email to Revell asking them to please release this plastic. I would encourage others to email them as well.

Thanks for e-mailing them.

I did too....

[DonSS3]

Now, this is just MHO, but if they (Revell) aren't going to do it right, I'd rather not have them do it at all. The fuselage is looks (to me after cursory examination of the photos provided) short for a K-model, and if I'm going to spend my (probably) $30+ I'd rather not have to be hacking away at the plastic bits and adding MORE plastic bits of my own construction, to get the right fuselage length. Now, if I had a reasonably-priced aftermarket fuselage (hint-hint), or Revell produced a fuselage of the correct configuration to add to my Revell kit, well, I'd be ok with that.

[Harold]

Now, this is just MHO, but if they (Revell) aren't going to do it right, I'd rather not have them do it at all. The fuselage is looks (to me after cursory examination of the photos provided) short for a K-model, and if I'm going to spend my (probably) $30+ I'd rather not have to be hacking away at the plastic bits and adding MORE plastic bits of my own construction, to get the right fuselage length. Now, if I had a reasonably-priced aftermarket fuselage (hint-hint), or Revell produced a fuselage of the correct configuration to add to my Revell kit, well, I'd be ok with that.

I agree...

That is why I am working on one. I don't want to hack up a perfectly good chunk of plastic 'cause the maker pooched it.

I have been collecting photos. I have found that there are more changes than extending the fuselage and adding gun ports. The rear of the fuselage has small details that aren't the same as the D.

[Frank Visser]

Harold,

As wel as the other 2 dutchies I am realy looking forward to see it.

If needed for detailpic's let me know.

Living close to the dutch air force museum, I am willing to make photo's.

Museum has 1 indoors and recently they moved over the gate guard from twente airbase to the museum.

So now we have 2 F-86K.

Frank

[Harold]

Harold,

As wel as the other 2 dutchies I am realy looking forward to see it.

If needed for detailpic's let me know.

Living close to the dutch air force museum, I am willing to make photo's.

Museum has 1 indoors and recently they moved over the gate guard from twente airbase to the museum.

So now we have 2 F-86K.

Frank

Do you have any references for the cockpits?

Any photos will help.

Thanks,

Harold

[SteveC68]

The chances of Revell retooling to correct the fuselage length are exactly ZERO. If they haven't done it by now then it just isn't going to happen ever. What I proposed to Revell was to include a resin plug (2 pieces) that would extend the fuselage the correct scale 8 inches. This would require 2 vertical cuts and 1 horizontal cut per fuselage half to insert the plugs.

http://f-86.tripod.com/f86k.html

It wouldn't be the first kit released that had fuselage length problems. The Revell F-86D kit as it stands has it's own fair share of problems, namely the wing sweep is completely wrong. Way too swept compared with the real aircraft. How many people notice that, or bother to correct it? None. Do you know how much 8" is in 1/48 scale? 0.166 inches or 4.23mm. That isn't a huge amount. It's small enough to be difficult to notice to someone that isn't familiar with the K.

[Frank Visser]

Do you have any references for the cockpits?

Any photos will help.

Thanks,

Harold

Will go to the museum and see what I can do for you.

In the meantime take a look at this site

http://aircraftwalkaround.hobbyvista.com/f86d/f86d.htm

If not enough, let me know

Please specify the areas wich are not clear, so I know what to photograph

Frank

[Koen L]

Frank, in case you didn't already know the one in the museum isn't really a Dutch aircraft but an Italian one repainted in Dutch markings. You can still see where the Italian serial used to be on the rear fuselage if you look closely!

[Harold]

After going through all my refernces. I think I can see where there are some detail differences from the NAA built and the Fiat built versions.

Some of the photos show a different shaped exhaust housing, and fewer vortex generators. Some panels are different as well.

Can any of the real experts let me know if this is the case?

Thanks,

Harold

Edited June 27, 2008 by Harold

[SteveC68]

Harold,

I'm not sure about the number of vortex generators but the exhaust housing looks the same to me. Also note that the K had both types of scoops on the sides of the fuse as did the D. I believe the scoops indicated a different engine, but I'm not positive on that.

Here are some pics:

F-86K

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Germany---A...next_id=1308165

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Italy---Air...next_id=1280253

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Honduras---...next_id=1202723

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Germany---A...next_id=0930609

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Italy---Air...next_id=0777118

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Italy---Air...next_id=0633145

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Netherlands...next_id=0283946

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Germany---A...next_id=0165748

F-86D

http://www.airliners.net/photo/South-Korea...next_id=1275666

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/N...next_id=1264031

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/N...next_id=1155311

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/N...next_id=0743597

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/N...next_id=0675406

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/N...next_id=0688476

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/N...next_id=0390816

Edited June 27, 2008 by SteveC68

[Harold]

Thanks for the photos.

Here is what I am talking about.

I have seen different exhaust housings in the photos. I don't know which is which.

[MoFo]

That looks to be a museum plane. Might not be 100% kosher - stuff gets mocked up for display purposes.

[Harold]

That looks to be a museum plane. Might not be 100% kosher - stuff gets mocked up for display purposes.

Here is a shot from another airframe, not in a museum.

[SteveC68]

I just looked through Duncan Curtis's F-86 Sabre Book (Crowood Aviation Series) and there is a picture on F-86L that looks to also have the little step in the exhaust housing. There is also a picture of the very first FIAT assembled F-86K that also shows the step. I don't FIAT actually did anything more than just assemble the parts that were produced by North American in order to make their F-86Ks. That first FIAT built K also lacked the sugar scoops on the side of the fuselage as well. Further the book says that many of the NACA duct equipped D's were retrofitted with the sugar scoops. So unless you could make the exhaust separate (similar to Revell's F-84E/G) then you just have to pick a housing style and go with it.

Steve

[Harold]

I just looked through Duncan Curtis's F-86 Sabre Book (Crowood Aviation Series) and there is a picture on F-86L that looks to also have the little step in the exhaust housing. There is also a picture of the very first FIAT assembled F-86K that also shows the step. I don't FIAT actually did anything more than just assemble the parts that were produced by North American in order to make their F-86Ks. That first FIAT built K also lacked the sugar scoops on the side of the fuselage as well. Further the book says that many of the NACA duct equipped D's were retrofitted with the sugar scoops. So unless you could make the exhaust separate (similar to Revell's F-84E/G) then you just have to pick a housing style and go with it.

Steve

Thanks Steve.

I think I will stick with the most produced version....

Oh yes, You should be getting a seat next week. It will go out Monday.

[jenshb]

Not the best picture with respect to looking for a step in the exhaust, but this preserved sample at the Gardermoen Museum in Norway doesn't have the step. Have looked at a couple of period pics of RNoAF K-Sabres in service, and there are no steps there either, so I think this is pretty original.

Jens

[Harold]

Thanks for the photo.

I just can't find who and why they were different.

Edited June 28, 2008 by Harold

[Harold]

An article - in italian... Babel Fish is your friend: http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/ - about the Italian Kits 1/48 F-86K conversion set for the Revell kit.

http://www.warbirdsinscale.com/f86kluciani.htm

Italian kits homepage

http://www.italiankits.it/

V.P.

I did that some time ago. It was a bit un-intelligible.

And, I still don't see the K being offered on their web sight.

Thanks,

Harold