designfriemel Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 hi folks, I just found this concept-deck-layout drawing of CVN-78, USS Gerald R. Ford The line up shows single and double Super Hornets, F-35s, Awacs and two seahawks, i know, but... what are those other two types of stealthy birds ? one bigger, with foldable wings, the other smaller, almost drone like... also note the three whatever-craft between the hornet and awacs in bottom left corner! maybe cranes ??? I am lost here, any ideas? cheers! p.s. forget about the webpage/author itself - scum - but this image is exciting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Impatient Pete Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Those are UCAVs I think X-47s Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
designfriemel Posted July 22, 2008 Author Share Posted July 22, 2008 Those are UCAVsI think X-47s Pete aaaahhhhhhh... just found this.. http://www.darpa.mil/j-ucas/X-47/gallery.htm thx for the hint! cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 (edited) Not to take this too far off topic but does anyone else have a problem with the Navy selection of names for it's aircraft carriers? I personally thought the old names (America, Enterprise, Hornet, etc) carried some real significance. Now we get the Stennis, the Ford, etc, etc. To me, it's just a pathetic suck up by the Navy to keep folks in Congress smiling. If anyone can tell me why either of these mediocre (at best) politicians is worthy of having an aircraft carrier named after him, I'm all ears. Maybe the USAF should rename the JSF the "F-35 Pelosi"? The Army could rename the Apache as the "AH-64 Barney Frank". It might get congress to kick a few billion more into the programs. Looks like it works for the Navy, they get all the funding they ask for. Sorry again, I just couldn't resist it. John Edited July 23, 2008 by 11bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slartibartfast Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Is the Navy ready to let a remotely-piloted vehicle take a trap? Can the UCAV fly slow enough to keep the LSO from getting bug-eyed? Maybe the automated landing system is now good enough to bring a plane to the wire? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Impatient Pete Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Not to take this too far off topic but does anyone else have a problem with the Navy selection of names for it's aircraft carriers? I personally thought the old names (America, Enterprise, Hornet, etc) carried some real significance. Now we get the Stennis, the Ford, etc, etc. To me, it's just a pathetic suck up by the Navy to keep folks in Congress smiling. If anyone can tell me why either of these mediocre (at best) politicians is worthy of having an aircraft carrier named after him, I'm all ears. Maybe the USAF should rename the JSF the "F-35 Pelosi"? The Army could rename the Apache as the "AH-64 Barney Frank". It might get congress to kick a few billion more into the programs. Looks like it works for the Navy, they get all the funding they ask for. Sorry again for the I should be building a model!, I just couldn't resist it. John Totaly agree! more self worship for politicians... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VFA-103guy Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 aaaahhhhhhh... just found this.. http://www.darpa.mil/j-ucas/X-47/gallery.htm thx for the hint! cheers Looks like a nice selection of photo-shopped pics! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
designfriemel Posted July 23, 2008 Author Share Posted July 23, 2008 Not to take this too far off topic but does anyone else have a problem with the Navy selection of names for it's aircraft carriers? I personally thought the old names (America, Enterprise, Hornet, etc) carried some real significance. Now we get the Stennis, the Ford, etc, etc. To me, it's just a pathetic suck up by the Navy to keep folks in Congress smiling. If anyone can tell me why either of these mediocre (at best) politicians is worthy of having an aircraft carrier named after him, I'm all ears. Maybe the USAF should rename the JSF the "F-35 Pelosi"? The Army could rename the Apache as the "AH-64 Barney Frank". It might get congress to kick a few billion more into the programs. Looks like it works for the Navy, they get all the funding they ask for. Sorry again for the I should be building a model!, I just couldn't resist it. John USS Barak Obama or USS John Mccain even got a better one: USS Arnold Schwarzenegger :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
designfriemel Posted July 23, 2008 Author Share Posted July 23, 2008 Looks like a nice selection of photo-shopped pics! X-47B - sure does! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 The tradition of naming carriers after people started with the USS JFK. They were named after Presidents or people who were either in or supported the Navy. Personally, I'd like to see James Madison or a Thomas Jefferson. That would be kind of historically neat. In regards to Gerald Ford, he actually wasn't as mediocre of a President as you might imagine. He was straddled in a no-win situation. He was actually very well respected by both sides of the aisle. Given a different set of circumstances, he may have made a very capable President. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Sander Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 they get all the funding they ask for. That must be why I've spent the last six years with admirals telling me I don't actually NEED flight hours to be proficient and ought to be perfectly happy with twenty year old simulators. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pirata Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 I agree completely. The navy used to have a fine tradition of naming capitol ships after battles or ships of the revolutionary war. This is where you get the great names like Saratoga, Lexington and Enterprise. Unfortunately, these types of names have been relegated to cruisers as of late. The navy has thrown its great tradition out the window out of favour to political parties. It started with the U.S.S. Franklin D. Roosevelt, because he died in office and was a very popular president. It then spread to the Forrestal because, as Secretary of the Navy, he was a staunch advocate of carrier aviation, and his career, and death, involved a lot of controversial and mysterious elements. (Which we won't hash out here.) Then Kennedy died in office, etc.. etc... The only naming that ever bothered me was the naming of the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan, because he was still alive when the congress, and even many state governments, started naming all sorts of stuff after him. I always thought you had to pass away in the line of duty (While still holding office.) or serve in the Navy, heroically, in order to be considered for such an honour. Now, any former President is entitled to the honour, even one that can't get re-elected. Personally, I'd like to see the Navy return to its great tradition of using the old, faithful names. They were great ships and their names should be carried on for generations out of respect to our nation's, and our navy's, history. P.S. Let me add one more thing. IBTL. You know someone's gonna go bonkers "defending" their favourite politician and you know this thread is going down. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 That must be why I've spent the last six years with admirals telling me I don't actually NEED flight hours to be proficient and ought to be perfectly happy with twenty year old simulators. They took away your flight hours so they could spend the money on more carriers to name after more politicians, in order to get more money for carriers. Get it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 USS Barak Obama or USS John Mccain even got a better one: USS Arnold Schwarzenegger :) USS Chuck Norris. THE most kick *** aircraft carrier ever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Sander Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 They took away your flight hours so they could spend the money on more carriers LCS Fixed it for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RCoulter52 Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 USS Chuck Norris. THE most kick *** aircraft carrier ever. USS Alan Bussie!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 USS Barak Obama <...> That one wouldn't even need to float, it'd just walk on the water ... :) Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
svaz Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 even got a better one: USS Arnold Schwarzenegger I recall back in (20)'60 on "Big Arnie" we had UCAVs launching and trapping 24/7. Some goofyfella named Conning, Croner, Conner -- something like that -- kept jabbering on about foreshadowing ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike H. Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 I remember talk about naming a carrier after Alan Shepard, but the Navy named a supply ship instead. Can anyone confirm this? I'm sorry, I'm from Michigan and I don't think Ford deserved a carrier named after him. At least not a new, concept ship. Maybe one later in the class. Think of it, the first carrier of a new class named for the first American in space who was a naval aviator. Far more appropriate than Ford. Mike H. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vesper Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Mike H, you are correct. The Navy (in it infinite wisdom) decided to honor such a great American hero like Al Sheppard by naming a cargo ship after him. Personally I want to *removed* the brilliant S0b who made that call . . . Ves Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 As the US Army names its Main Battle Tanks after former generals....... Sherman Grant Pershing Abrams etc etc.................. I'm still waiting for the M4 Schwarzkopf........ Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mhoupt Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 USS Barak Obama or USS John Mccain even got a better one: USS Arnold Schwarzenegger :P The John McCain already exists - even if named after the current McCains Grandfather. http://www.mccain.navy.mil/default.aspx Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A6BSTARM Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 (edited) I agree completely. The navy used to have a fine tradition of naming capitol ships after battles or ships of the revolutionary war. This is where you get the great names like Saratoga, Lexington and Enterprise. Unfortunately, these types of names have been relegated to cruisers as of late. The navy has thrown its great tradition out the window out of favour to political parties. It started with the U.S.S. Franklin D. Roosevelt, because he died in office and was a very popular president. It then spread to the Forrestal because, as Secretary of the Navy, he was a staunch advocate of carrier aviation, and his career, and death, involved a lot of controversial and mysterious elements. (Which we won't hash out here.) Then Kennedy died in office, etc.. etc... The only naming that ever bothered me was the naming of the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan, because he was still alive when the congress, and even many state governments, started naming all sorts of stuff after him. I always thought you had to pass away in the line of duty (While still holding office.) or serve in the Navy, heroically, in order to be considered for such an honour. Now, any former President is entitled to the honour, even one that can't get re-elected. Personally, I'd like to see the Navy return to its great tradition of using the old, faithful names. They were great ships and their names should be carried on for generations out of respect to our nation's, and our navy's, history. P.S. Let me add one more thing. IBTL. You know someone's gonna go bonkers "defending" their favourite politician and you know this thread is going down. Actually try again. The first aircraft carrier was named after a person not a place. CV-1 was named Samuel Pierpont Langley a scientist and early experimenter with manned aircraft. Edited July 24, 2008 by A6BSTARM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dahut Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 USS Gerald Ford? Where the hell have I been? Last I knew, USS John F. Kennedy (my old ship) was decommissioned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ikar Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Wouldn't they be worried that a ship named after Ford might keep going aground? Out of curiosity, what was the Enterprise named after? If Obama becomes president, will we have to change form Hail to the Chief to Handel's Missiah? I think I'll go buy a pitchfork and torch for my armory. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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