SERNAK Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Dear fellow modellers, My name is Sernak and I'm new in the forum but have been watching-reading various topics for the past 2 years since I found out about arcforums. My main interest in scale modelling is the US NAVY's Adversaries units and their past (mostly) and current paint schemes (that is patterns and colour codes). This is my first topic and I would like your help about a matter that concerns me. I've been trying to find the following 2 decals sheets from Superscale; the 48-053, and 48-316, which concern various paint schemes applied on F-5s and A-4s, during the late-70s and 80s. I was wondering if someone from this forum has them or knows where I can find them. In case somebody has them, is it possible to scan the sheets with the paint schemes-colour codes and email them to me via pm? I don't mind that much about the decals sheets because with todays technology you can make them by yourself but, I would like to have their paint schemes and colour codes. Anykind of help will be appreciated. Furthermore, I'm trying to solve another issue that concerns again an Adversary aircraft and his paint scheme. I have found in a Greek aviation magazine a photo of an F-16N/42 from NFWS (that is Navy Fighters Weapons School), specifically the one with the two-tone splinter paint scheme (Gray and dark Green) which Two Bobs has produced BUT, with a different combination of colours but with the same pattern. These colours are: Tan-Dark Brown. Does anyone know something about this or even perhaps have seen it in another publication or from up-close? The photographer was Riccardo Niccoli. In advance, I would like to thank you for your help and hope to have great conversations in this forum. Cheers, Sernak Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantom Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 (edited) I have one of the Superscale sheets. But really the instructions are VERY poor and hard to read. THe decals themselves are fine, no worries there, but the sheet research is questionable at best. Colour call outs are bizzare and in some cases wrong compared to photos I have seen. This is one of those Superscale sheets which requires outside references. If you depend on the instructions you will be one very confused person. (Oh, I do not own a scanner by the way.) Edited August 14, 2008 by phantom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SERNAK Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 Hi Phantom, Thanks for the info. Yes, I do know that the sheets instructions are poor but, it is a start. Believe me, I have tried to figure out some of those paint schemes from photographs but, with no luck since I didn't have anykind of information to support my research and eventually figure out which FS colours are the correct ones. Which sheet do you have; is it the 48-053 or the 48-316? I do have the 48-317, among others. Moreover, do you know where I could look in order to find the decals sheets that I'm looking for? By the way, do you have any information about the F-16N I'm talking about in my first post? Many Thanks, Sernak. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longmc Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I have sheet 48-316 if you're still interested. Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SERNAK Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 I have sheet 48-316 if you're still interested.Mike Hey Mike, Yes, I am interested. Are you selling it? If you do, just send me a pm with your price quote. By the way, have you ever seen or heard anything about the F-16N/42 with the splinter paint scheme that I'm describing in my initial post? Many Thanks, Sernak Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Camus272 Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Hey Mike,Yes, I am interested. Are you selling it? If you do, just send me a pm with your price quote. By the way, have you ever seen or heard anything about the F-16N/42 with the splinter paint scheme that I'm describing in my initial post? Many Thanks, Sernak Hi, I have the sheets, I can try to scan them this weekend, but here are better diagrams around on the internet than the instructions provided 48-53 has the following F-5E schemes Navy "New Blue" USAF Ghost USAF Lizard USAF Snake 48-316 Navy: F-5F Ghost F-5E Ferris F-5F Beige/Brown/Green/Tan A-4 2-Gray A-4 Brown/Green/Gray A-4 3-Green As for the F-16N, I haven't ever seen that scheme. The only tan/brown one I know of was 41. Brian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SERNAK Posted August 15, 2008 Author Share Posted August 15, 2008 Hi, I have the sheets, I can try to scan them this weekend, but here are better diagrams around on the internet than the instructions provided48-53 has the following F-5E schemes Navy "New Blue" USAF Ghost USAF Lizard USAF Snake 48-316 Navy: F-5F Ghost F-5E Ferris F-5F Beige/Brown/Green/Tan A-4 2-Gray A-4 Brown/Green/Gray A-4 3-Green As for the F-16N, I haven't ever seen that scheme. The only tan/brown one I know of was 41. Brian Hi Camus272, Thank you for showing interest on my request and for willing to scan them. The decals sheets you're describing are the ones I'm interested. They're the only paint schemes reference available. Utleast, from my research on the subject which is based on a series of books that I have about US NAVY Adversary units in conjuction with photographs. As for the F-16N's splinter dark grey-tan paint scheme, I have only one photo which I plan at some point to post on this topic (as soon as I find out how to do so). I have tried to locate the photographer who had done the photo-shoot but, with no luck so far. Even when I had send the picture to Two Bobs, even he didn't know anything about it and he was surprised. You see these paint schemes were done on an unofficial basis by the units personnel, and they were propably not keeing records of them. In the past utleast. Thanks again for your interest. Sernak Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mizar Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Some color pictures and "generic" or let's say "official" paint schemes can be found on D&S Books Colors & Markings #6 US Navy Adversary Aircraft and Colors & Markings #11 USAF Aggressor Squadrons. If the subjects are the same covered in 72 sheets then #48-053 it's ok just watch out for the Talon #48-316 Clear paint scheme for #56 there http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/aggressorsda_1.htm or TA-4J #06 and #07 schemes and reference on skyhawk.org or Afterburner Decals (#07) No clue for F-5F schemes,there must be something on the books above F-5E Ferris (?) #41 a couple or more pictures on D&S books A-4E #54 check skyhawk.org but can't remember if I have managed to find something around in the past Luigi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SERNAK Posted August 16, 2008 Author Share Posted August 16, 2008 Hi Mizar, Thanks for the info. I think I have the books you're mentioning (is it with the Tomcat-divider logo?) except from the one for the USAF Aggressors but, what you can find in them is photos and suggestions of what colours you see on them. No FS colour numbers. You're mentioning something about the decals in 1/72. Do you have them? I didn't know that Superscale had produced their 1/48 sheets in 1/72 also. F-5F Ghost. If it is from VFA-127, I think I must have somewhere the FS codes written. F-5F Beige/Brown/Green/Tan. Who ever has the Monogram kit, they're covered, except from the Beige (I think). A-4 Brown/Green/Gray. I have to see this one A-4 3-Green. And this one. Thanks again for all the info. Sernak Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mizar Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Sernak,the D&S and C&M books have FS number references and official paint schemes 2 side views upper and sometimes the down view. Superscale in the past made the same sheets in both scales,sometimes splitting them in 2 and sometimes not.There are some other books regarding Top Gun or Aggressors aircraft like Pilotes The Top Gun (French book only pictures no schemes or FS numbers) and some others not related to Squadron or D&S,since they are hard to find I have downloaded them. For the twoseaters I have checked and there is a color side picture of #47 and a b&w picture of #50.The most interesting of them for me is the splintered one covered in 72-544 sheet and I think 48-317 has it,side number #50. If you want I can put the instruction scans on rapidshare,pdf files too Luigi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SERNAK Posted August 17, 2008 Author Share Posted August 17, 2008 Sernak,the D&S and C&M books have FS number references and official paint schemes 2 side views upper and sometimes the down view.Superscale in the past made the same sheets in both scales,sometimes splitting them in 2 and sometimes not.There are some other books regarding Top Gun or Aggressors aircraft like Pilotes The Top Gun (French book only pictures no schemes or FS numbers) and some others not related to Squadron or D&S,since they are hard to find I have downloaded them. For the twoseaters I have checked and there is a color side picture of #47 and a b&w picture of #50.The most interesting of them for me is the splintered one covered in 72-544 sheet and I think 48-317 has it,side number #50. If you want I can put the instruction scans on rapidshare,pdf files too Luigi Hi Mizar, Are you sure about the FS number references and official paint schemes presented in D&S and C&M books? I have a book from D&S about Adversary aircraft units - the one with the F-21A on the cover. I don't have it in front of me at the moment but, I do remember that presents the NFWS aircrafts first, then the VF-43 and Va-45, next is the VF-126 (which presents the only photos of the T-38A and F-5E from the squadron), and finally the the VA-127. Are we talking about the same book? If we're not, could you please tell me from where you have downloaded them. Especially the French one; I have never heard about it and I'm all excited !!!! By the way, do you have the Osprey's series Superbase which presents quite a lot of the previously mentioned squadrons? I would really appreciated if you could provide with either the website(s) frm which you have downloaded them or even PDF versions of these books. I have the 48-317 and build the #50 F-5F with the Swedish splinter style - grey-dark green paint scheme IN 1/48. Any pdf file of decals sheets and/or books would be appreciated. Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Camus272 Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 The Colors in the D&S books are definitely correct. Most of these schemes were very common. The Navy Adversary book doesn't actually provide the FS colors. New Blue: 35164/35109/35414. The Ferris scheme also uses these colors. http://www.jpsmodell.de/dc/draw/f5blue_n.jpg Ghost: 35237/36251/36307/35622. The Navy ghost scheme used the USAF colors, but the same pattern as "New Blue" http://www.jpsmodell.de/dc/draw/f5gho_o.jpg Lizard 33531/30118 http://www.jpsmodell.de/dc/draw/f5lizold.jpg Snake: 34258/30118/33531 http://www.jpsmodell.de/dc/draw/f5snake.jpg A-4 3-green: 34086/34079/34092 http://www.jpsmodell.de/dc/draw/a4e_agg02.jpg More charts are here: http://www.jpsmodell.de/dc/luft_flug_e.htm#f5 These are much better references than the Superscale instructions. I haven't had time to get the scanner out yet, for details on the other aircraft, but I'll see if I can find more online info. I have some of the Superbase books, the best place to get them is from ebay. Brian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SERNAK Posted August 18, 2008 Author Share Posted August 18, 2008 Hi Camus272, Thanks for all the info. I have some of them included in the past in my research, specifically the jpmodell, which is the only online reference (utleast as far as I know) for quite a few NFWS Skyhawks. The Superbase series from Osprey was great because when they were published back in the early 90's were the only and great reference for this series of units and aircrafts which only a few and distinguished had the opportunity to know and admire. I'll be waiting for the other info you have. Thanks again for all your help. Sernak Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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