Phantom ordie Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Anyone aware of the natural metal finish used on some Banshee's in the 50's? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Yep, they tried it on several USN jet types in the early/mid '50's, including F9F-2's and -5's, FJ-2's (I believe), and Banshees. Usually most of the squadron would have standard paint, and one or two it seems would have the experimental finish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom ordie Posted September 1, 2008 Author Share Posted September 1, 2008 Yep, they tried it on several USN jet types in the early/mid '50's, including F9F-2's and -5's, FJ-2's (I believe), and Banshees. Usually most of the squadron would have standard paint, and one or two it seems would have the experimental finish. Know where I can dig up some photos? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tailspin Turtle Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 All three color schemes in one squadron: With speed brakes extended: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom ordie Posted September 1, 2008 Author Share Posted September 1, 2008 All three color schemes in one squadron: With speed brakes extended: Thanks I needed that! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reddog Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 The best Banshee reference would be the Ginter Naval Fighter series, number two and seventy three. Number two is OOP so look for number seventy three, if you get that one you don't need number two unless you want a complete set. HTH Reddog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulfisher Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 The natural metal Banjos were actually painted with clear lacquer overall as a corrosion barrier, and any panels made of magnesium were shot with a silver lacquer, hence the paneled appearance in some well known photos. Anti-glare panels are olive green and all stencilling should be in medium grey, not black believe it or not.This is all from a McDonnell Aircraft finishing specs manual on the plane. Interior of the airframes was a bronze-green, pretty dark.I have a few pieces from a crashed specimen on loan for color matching....Shhhh! MadGepetto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom ordie Posted September 2, 2008 Author Share Posted September 2, 2008 The natural metal Banjos were actually painted with clear lacquer overall as a corrosion barrier, and any panels made of magnesium were shot with a silver lacquer, hence the paneled appearance in some well known photos.Anti-glare panels are olive green and all stencilling should be in medium grey, not black believe it or not.This is all from a McDonnell Aircraft finishing specs manual on the plane. Interior of the airframes was a bronze-green, pretty dark.I have a few pieces from a crashed specimen on loan for color matching....Shhhh! MadGepetto What colors would be a match ol' pal,ol' buddy? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 The natural metal Banjos were actually painted with clear lacquer overall as a corrosion barrier, and any panels made of magnesium were shot with a silver lacquer, hence the paneled appearance in some well known photos.Anti-glare panels are olive green and all stencilling should be in medium grey, not black believe it or not.This is all from a McDonnell Aircraft finishing specs manual on the plane. Interior of the airframes was a bronze-green, pretty dark.I have a few pieces from a crashed specimen on loan for color matching....Shhhh! MadGepetto Paul Fisher! Great to see you on ARC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huey Gunner Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 The natural metal Banjos were actually painted with clear lacquer overall as a corrosion barrier, and any panels made of magnesium were shot with a silver lacquer, hence the paneled appearance in some well known photos.Anti-glare panels are olive green and all stencilling should be in medium grey, not black believe it or not.This is all from a McDonnell Aircraft finishing specs manual on the plane. Interior of the airframes was a bronze-green, pretty dark.I have a few pieces from a crashed specimen on loan for color matching....Shhhh! MadGepetto Paul-Glad to hear you made it ok thru those fires up there. Talked to Mike Witous awhile back and he said he would try and give a shout out to you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Harold Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 The natural metal Banjos were actually painted with clear lacquer overall as a corrosion barrier, and any panels made of magnesium were shot with a silver lacquer, hence the paneled appearance in some well known photos.Anti-glare panels are olive green and all stencilling should be in medium grey, not black believe it or not.This is all from a McDonnell Aircraft finishing specs manual on the plane. Interior of the airframes was a bronze-green, pretty dark.I have a few pieces from a crashed specimen on loan for color matching....Shhhh! MadGepetto Good you are here Paul. We need someone like you and Chris (Zactoman) to look up to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huey Gunner Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Good you are here Paul.We need someone like you and Chris (Zactoman) to look up to. And you too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Harold Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 And you too. Thanks Gunner, Harold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulfisher Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Oh, my..I am blushing...I try to cruise ARC as often as I can, I have been crazy busy trying to get the Cutlass done, and all the other projects in here...it has been a chaotic year for us here, but so it goes. I don't have FS 595 matches for the Banjo colors, I will shoot a few pictures of the stuff I have in natural daylight and try to post them so we can try to figure out what good color call outs would be...when this stuff was done they were not concerned with us lowly model builders. Another amusing tidbit regarding the Banshee from my friend Bill Hannan who was a mechanic on USS Boxer , worked on both Banjos and Panthers and tells me you could take the aileron or elevator from any Panther and it would easily fit any other Panther on deck, but if a Banjo got bent up it went over the side as the parts were hand fitted to individual airframes and would not interchange much if at all.Such a beautiful airplane though. I will try to post more often, it's not often I see something I feel like I can contribute to , but as I am hip-deep in Banshee research these days I thought I would shout out..the Collect-Aire dash 3/4 Banshee is a honey of a kit..I know their stuff gets alot of negative press, but alot of the later kits are just beautiful. Back soon, Paul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom ordie Posted September 4, 2008 Author Share Posted September 4, 2008 Oh, my..I am blushing...I try to cruise ARC as often as I can, I have been crazy busy trying to get the Cutlass done, and all the other projects in here...it has been a chaotic year for us here, but so it goes.I don't have FS 595 matches for the Banjo colors, I will shoot a few pictures of the stuff I have in natural daylight and try to post them so we can try to figure out what good color call outs would be...when this stuff was done they were not concerned with us lowly model builders. Another amusing tidbit regarding the Banshee from my friend Bill Hannan who was a mechanic on USS Boxer , worked on both Banjos and Panthers and tells me you could take the aileron or elevator from any Panther and it would easily fit any other Panther on deck, but if a Banjo got bent up it went over the side as the parts were hand fitted to individual airframes and would not interchange much if at all.Such a beautiful airplane though. I will try to post more often, it's not often I see something I feel like I can contribute to , but as I am hip-deep in Banshee research these days I thought I would shout out..the Collect-Aire dash 3/4 Banshee is a honey of a kit..I know their stuff gets alot of negative press, but alot of the later kits are just beautiful. Back soon, Paul Hope to hear from you again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulfisher Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 OK...here we go, I have taken some pics of the bits I have here, in shade and direct sunlight, this may help in mixing colors.The stencilling is called out on the drawings as "commercial Engine Gray enamel per color card 513- Sherwin Williams or equal". In the photo you can see it is a medium to light gray. Can't get the image t upload, it is only 93k, don't know what the trouble is...will try again in the morning.I have a bunch of pics to upload.Alternately, e-mail me at fisher@fishermodels.com and I'll send them direct to you. We'll get her done... Paul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Walker Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 (edited) Unfortunately you can't uplink direct to ARC because of previous virus problems here. You'll have to upload them to Photobucket or something similiar and then post them here. Can't wait to see them, and welcome to ARC! Edited September 4, 2008 by David Walker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiG31 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I've got both the Academy and Hobbycraft 1:72 releases of the -3/4 Banjo, and I'm still looking for better photos of the VF-11 scheme, especially the NMF version. Learning of the stencil coloration makes me wonder about the Hobbycraft decal sheet's accuracy. Does anyone know of plans to release a new 1:72 set? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonSS3 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 This is one (the F2H) I'd have loved to see Accurate Miniatures do. IIRC it was one of the rumored 1/48th scale jets they were (supposedly) working on before the demise of the original AM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin_sam_2000 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I will try to post more often, it's not often I see something I feel like I can contribute to , but as I am hip-deep in Banshee research these days I thought I would shout out..the Collect-Aire dash 3/4 Banshee is a honey of a kit..I know their stuff gets alot of negative press, but alot of the later kits are just beautiful.Back soon, Paul that wouldn't be a 1/48 model would it?? I have been trying to find a 1/48 banshee 3/4 for a while now. Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedStar Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I think we all are - Banshees are by far the biggest gap in my collection - I don't know about the rest of you, but that would have to be about my number one 'most wanted' both a -1/2 kit and then a second -3/4 kit. Anyone building squadron histories of some of the famous squadrons out there knows that many of the more famous squadrons went through Banshees in the mid-50s - and therefore this represents a BIG gap. After seeing the recent Special Hobby Spitfire Vc and some of the other short run kits out there, I'd be really happy with a Banshee from one of those manufacturers - let alone a Tamigawa type offering. I know I was bending the MPM crews ear on the subject at the nationals - Jules from CA too... C'mon Banshee! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 that wouldn't be a 1/48 model would it?? I have been trying to find a 1/48 banshee 3/4 for a while now. Sean Yes, the Collect Aire Banjo is 1/48 scale. It is one of their better kits, although it retails for around $130. Last I talked with Lou at CA, he was beginning to run low on stock and he won't be making anymore once they're gone. Here's a picture of mine that I did for VFA-11's history. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom ordie Posted September 4, 2008 Author Share Posted September 4, 2008 Yes, the Collect Aire Banjo is 1/48 scale. It is one of their better kits, although it retails for around $130. Last I talked with Lou at CA, he was beginning to run low on stock and he won't be making anymore once they're gone. Here's a picture of mine that I did for VFA-11's history. Great looking Banjo. I remember them well. They had a lot of landing gear problems. Saw several slide in at NAS JAX. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin_sam_2000 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Yes, the Collect Aire Banjo is 1/48 scale. It is one of their better kits, although it retails for around $130. Last I talked with Lou at CA, he was beginning to run low on stock and he won't be making anymore once they're gone. Here's a picture of mine that I did for VFA-11's history. $130!!!!! I should stick to my original plan of making a conversion for the Testors model!!! It would probably be cheaper. Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huey Gunner Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 $130!!!!! I should stick to my original plan of making a conversion for the Testors model!!! It would probably be cheaper. Sean Cookie Sewell of FSM built one up useing the Testors/Hawk kit. Good article. It will be my blueprint when I build mine.It was featured in the January 2007 edition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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