Stephen Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I think the IPs need help. They are tiny and the detail isn't that good on them, partly because they are so small. They look a lot better on the instruction sheet than they do on the sprue. Definitely Stephen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
okthree Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Look's nice. I held off ordering these until they were released. I'm sorry I missed out in the brass pitot by not prordering. So Erick, when you going to start building this? Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 It will be interesting to see the comments about the fit of some of the parts since there is a little modeling required in the following areas: Intake bottom - a small gap when joining the two sides; fin (terrible ejector marks destroy what should be tight seam on the leading edge); exhaust (too many poorly placed sprue attachment points, exhaust tube needs beveling to insert into "housing"; fit to fuselage not flush). Note that some fit issues are peculiar only to the single or two seater parts: Not being a plastic model engineer, it's hard for me to understand why the Kinetic folks have put so many sprue attachment points on edges or why the ejectors can't be located on less "intrusive" locations where the excellent surface detail isn't wiped out. Seems like the Mad Riveter has been chased away by The Mad Ejector. Certainly not the precision fit/engineering of the Tamiya kit, but nevertheless an outstanding effort on Kinetic's part. Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) Ejector marks and ejector dysfonction are classic first batch problems in mold injection. They' ll be solved in the next batch. The exhaust ring injection points 'one is more serious, some material must be added. But there's corrective actions. The gap in the MCID intake "cover" 's got lot of c.a possbilities. Light like change temp° settings, strong like take so material. Ejector location depends on the part location in the mold and his aspect ratio. For the left half-stab, the problematic ejector can be relocated on the left, there's enough space. Why the exhaust has so much injection points? Because it's a relatively big piece and worst, it's circular: - with 1 i.p, you will have a huge mold seam at the opposite side(visible) or will have to modify temp° settings. - with 2 i.p, you will have 2 less visibles mold seams and warping. etc. - with 4, the piece is in "rheological equilibrium". The 4 connections points inside, are here to prevent short shots and to help the injection. Edited November 18, 2008 by shion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Ejector marks ....They' ll be solved in the next batch. Thanks for that reply, Shion. I assume by your obvious expertise and knowledge of the kit's production, that you're associated with (or have ties to) Kinetic . If so, am really impressed that the company is keeping contact with us modelers. Hopefully such efforts will result in more great kits -- and of course a loyalty to the company that helps it prosper. For the left half-stab, the problematic ejector can be relocated on the left, there's enough space. That piece has been my biggest challenge in fitting the kit, so I'm glad to hear it will be remedied! Hopefully when the ejectors are moved, the step between the parts will also be fixed. Again, thanks very much for the reply, Shion. I'm certainly looking forward to the next issues of the Viper - the "corrections" you mentioned will improve an already impressive kit. Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Thanks for that reply, Shion. I assume by your obvious expertise and knowledge of the kit's production, that you're associated with (or have ties to) Kinetic . If so, am really impressed that the company is keeping contact with us modelers. Hopefully such efforts will result in more great kits -- and of course a loyalty to the company that helps it prosper.That piece has been my biggest challenge in fitting the kit, so I'm glad to hear it will be remedied! Hopefully when the ejectors are moved, the step between the parts will also be fixed. Again, thanks very much for the reply, Shion. I'm certainly looking forward to the next issues of the Viper - the "corrections" you mentioned will improve an already impressive kit. Gene K No, I'm not associated with Kinetic. I'm just a plastics engineer, who deals with this kind of process troubleshootings and defects every day. :lol: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CW4 Erick Swanberg Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 If you want to get a superdetailed cockpit then yes it is but out of the box the cockpit looks awesome, I would only add aftermarket seats and then you would have a great pit. Erick,Outside of the seats, is the Aires pit really that much better than the kit's? Gene K Will take some tonight Erick Man that looks great! Any chance of some side profile pictures of the front fuse, Erik? Kinetic and Tamiya. Thanks.Chuck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CW4 Erick Swanberg Posted November 19, 2008 Author Share Posted November 19, 2008 Here are some shots of the nose section of both kits, the Tamiya kit is in the process of being turned into a D so that is why it is cut. Erick Kinetic Tamiya both fronts together they could be grafted together with minimal work same shot from topside Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USAFsparkchaser Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 How does the WAR HUD look? I am really inerested in seeing it up close, I dont have access to my kits yet I am overseas and wont be back until next month. So if you could post a pic of the HUD that would be awsome thank you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sv51macross Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Just go to google, type in war hud, and then go to images. Really the coolest looking HUD I've seen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnthonyWan Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 So with some modification, I'd be able to make Chilean, Polish, or Singapore? http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/IndN...200/130/00.shtm http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/decals/t...l_tb48166.shtml http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1154/114604..._fb423fa080.jpg Thanks for the detail pics Erick! =Awan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 How does the WAR HUD look? I am really inerested in seeing it up close, .... This is the best I could do considering how small the part is. Not having seen the real thing, I can only judge against photos, so I'll let the experten comment further. Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) Pretty bad, I know, but will give you an idea of the front. Gene K Edited November 19, 2008 by Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USAFsparkchaser Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Thanks for the picks. Looks they will be alot easier to use then the Dr. Pepper war huds, probably a little thicker then dr. pepper, but alot easier to use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnthonyWan Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 So with some modification, I'd be able to make Chilean, Polish, or Singapore? :) http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/IndN...200/130/00.shtm http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/decals/t...l_tb48166.shtml http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1154/114604..._fb423fa080.jpg Thanks for the detail pics Erick! =Awan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 any feedbacks? I glued some parts, some thghts: cons: - yes it's not a Tamiya-easy build kit. - some location tabs don't help, you'd better chop them off (on the CBU-87 and others) - vertical tab assembly, I finally use surfacer and masking tape to reduce the step, location tab is useless too. pros: - details everywhere, I really fond of the late-type MLG wheels. To be continued. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PavelS Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I saw AM kit an hour ago and must say, that Scott was right with a shape of fuselage between flaperons and hor. stabilizers... That shape of line coming from main wing to elevator is almost straight, which is not accurate. But it´s not totaly wrong 90deg right angle, just a too little angled and curvy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Really? Because when I see the drawings Habu brings and the kit, I really don't see the problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PavelS Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Comparing to Tamiya it seems like that, but I have to say, that parts was in the sprue, so it was not so easy to see - I don´t think it is a big deal... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Comparing to Tamiya it seems like that, but I have to say, that parts was in the sprue, so it was not so easy to see - I don´t think it is a big deal... Why compare it with the Tamiya kit? It's a replica at 1/48 scale of the f-16 or a full-scale replica of the Tamiya kit? Habu provides a really handy and valuable material: link See fuselage section edge between 450 and 525. Are you able to find a angle/vertical at 450? On the Kinetic kit, it's the same thing. Tamiya kit isn't a paragon of truth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
intruder500 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 What scale is this Puppy? intruder500 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 What scale is this Puppy?intruder500 1/48 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PavelS Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Why compare it with the Tamiya kit?It's a replica at 1/48 scale of the f-16 or a full-scale replica of the Tamiya kit? Habu provides a really handy and valuable material: link See fuselage section edge between 450 and 525. Are you able to find a angle/vertical at 450? On the Kinetic kit, it's the same thing. Tamiya kit isn't a paragon of truth. Well, for me - Tamiya is really ACCURATE kit. So with TAMIYA I am comparing any kit available - its logical. I was not able to compare it together, so if you have this opportunity, plus Habu´s drawing, and you are telling there´s not a problem - just throw away my post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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