Spaced Marine Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Ok, here it goes. What was the rule of thumb about the wings on a Crusader? I one thought that if they were on the ground, the wing was up. I think that the canopy could only open when the wing was up... Can someone set me straight here? I have a Monogram kit (Thank you Tank!) and I don't want to raise the wing if I have to. (Lots of scratch building and kit bashing there...) I just want a simple, non-Hasegawa Crusader. Will Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phantomologist Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Ok,here it goes. What was the rule of thumb about the wings on a Crusader? I one thought that if they were on the ground, the wing was up. I think that the canopy could only open when the wing was up... Can someone set me straight here? I have a Monogram kit (Thank you Tank!) and I don't want to raise the wing if I have to. (Lots of scratch building and kit bashing there...) I just want a simple, non-Hasegawa Crusader. Will Will, Canopy and wing were not interconnected. The normal ground configuration was wing down, but you can see the aircraft in a variety of configurations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spaced Marine Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 That's good news to hear. I love the Monogram kit, and its such a simple build with nice details. I hope to make a nice kit out of this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Will, Check here for explanations on the wing. Regards, Murph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
otis252 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Not gonna do it with the wing, flaps and leading edge flaps. Sorry I even considered it. Build on, it's a great kit. Thanks for the CAM AB's Spaced. Chuck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spaced Marine Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 Chuck, no probs on that deal. I'm just going to build this one simply & enjoy it. Thank y'all for the insight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huey Gunner Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Will- I posted some of my personal F-8 photo's a couple of days ago. I took them in 1975-76. Their on page 3 of the Jet forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaydar Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Will, Check here for explanations on the wing. Regards, Murph The Monogram version and Cobra Co. set are third in line at this time in the build pile. I am building as a "C" model. Does this info with regard to flaps, slats and wingfolds apply to the "C" models as it does to the "J". thanks, joe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Speaking of Crusaders, whatever happened to Tom "Superheat" Weinel (spelling?)? Haven't seen him around the ARC forums for a while. His wealth of information about the 'Sader is invaluable :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabre Freak Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 (edited) .. Edited February 28, 2010 by Sabre Freak Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I am building as a "C" model. Does this info with regard to flaps, slats and wingfolds apply to the "C" models as it does to the "J". The wing operation was the same. Speaking of Crusaders, whatever happened to Tom "Superheat" Weinel (spelling?)? Haven't seen him around the ARC forums for a while. His wealth of information about the 'Sader is invaluable :) He's disappeared from Hyperscale too; hopefully, nothing is wrong. Regards, Murph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spaced Marine Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 Just an FYI: the burner can & nozzle from the Hasegawa kit (of which I have a fubar one) fits the Monogram kit nicely. How is the old KMC/True Details cockpit? I saw that Sprue Bros has one in stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaydar Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 The wing operation was the same.He's disappeared from Hyperscale too; hopefully, nothing is wrong. Regards, Murph thanks Murph. joe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Julien (UK) Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Just an FYI:the burner can & nozzle from the Hasegawa kit (of which I have a fubar one) fits the Monogram kit nicely. How is the old KMC/True Details cockpit? I saw that Sprue Bros has one in stock. If you can get an original KMC then they are good, I have seen some of the re-pops and the molds are not holding up. With reference to the wing, when the wing is up the flaps and slats are down as they are interconected. The outer wings can fold when the wing is up or down. I have pictures of crusaders on the ground with the wing up or down. I even have one of a crusader in flight with the outer wings folded! Julien Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Julien (UK) Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Speaking of Crusaders, whatever happened to Tom "Superheat" Weinel (spelling?)? Haven't seen him around the ARC forums for a while. His wealth of information about the 'Sader is invaluable Good question, last time I emailed him I think he was moving as he mentioned packing things up. I now cant find his email address :D I checked his profile and his last log on was: Last Seen: 9th September 2008 - 03:43 PM I hope he is ok. Julien Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spaced Marine Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 (edited) The only other Echo cockpit I can find for the Crusader is the Aires set for the Hasegawa kit (yet again I LAMENT the loss the Cutting Edge...:)). I know it was made for the Hasegawa kit, but I feel like it could be made to fit the Monogram kit easier than the Aires set could be. Edited December 9, 2008 by Spaced Marine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GEH737 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I'm amazed at the magnitude of stress that attachment must have been able to withstand. You can understand the aerodynamic theory all day - but still when you look at it, you think; "Dang, how in the world does that darn thing stay on..." I always thought it had a great look to it. Hitch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Julien (UK) Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 The only other Echo cockpit I can find for the Crusader is the Aires set for the Hasegawa kit (yet again I LAMENT the loss the Cutting Edge...).I know it was made for the Hasegawa kit, but I feel like it could be made to fit the Monogram kit easier than the Aires set could be. There is a black box one floating about out there. I might have a spare, will have alook. Julien Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 He's disappeared from Hyperscale too; hopefully, nothing is wrong.Regards, Murph Good question, last time I emailed him I think he was moving as he mentioned packing things up. I now cant find his email address :) I checked his profile and his last log on was: Last Seen: 9th September 2008 - 03:43 PM I hope he is ok. Julien Thanks, guys. Yeah, I hope he's ok too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spaced Marine Posted December 10, 2008 Author Share Posted December 10, 2008 There is a black box one floating about out there. I might have a spare, will have alook.Julien Julien, that would be fantastic if you have one. I'm amazed at the magnitude of stress that attachment must have been able to withstand. You can understand the aerodynamic theory all day - but still when you look at it, you think; "Dang, how in the world does that darn thing stay on..." I always thought it had a great look to it.Hitch You're exactly right. Vought had to have built this plane as solid as a rock to handle the stress of being catted off the carrier with the wing all jacked up! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tailspin Turtle Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 You're exactly right. Vought had to have built this plane as solid as a rock to handle the stress of being catted off the carrier with the wing all jacked up! The center of lift of the Crusader's swept wing was behind the hinge point, so the actuator (there was only one) was holding the wing up, not trying to keep it from coming off. When the pilot was pulling gs, the wing was actually pressing itself down all the harder. In the few examples of the wing coming off, it was the hinge points that failed in extreme overload, not the actuator. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spaced Marine Posted December 10, 2008 Author Share Posted December 10, 2008 Very good points about the g-loading of the wing. It would be terrible if the wing-off light came on in flight. All the while, the Crusader to me is a marvel of engineering. Too bad the Navy didn't want more gunfighters at the time. I would have loved to have seen this plane upgraded over time and flying into the 80s & 90s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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