phillyb Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Has anyone ever tried to make a Tab V shelter the common site at U.S.A.F.E bases.I saw a 1/72 scale diorama kit of them about 25 years ago while stationed in Germany but did not buy it .If any one has info please let me know . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob de Bie Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Possibly you saw the Revell shelter ? It was re-released a couple of years ago together with a Eurofighter. Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RotorheadTX Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 That's probably it, but you need to be aware that the shelter itself is only 1/100th scale, while the Typhoon and ground equipment are 1/72nd. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob de Bie Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 That's probably it, but you need to be aware that the shelter itself is only 1/100th scale, while the Typhoon and ground equipment are 1/72nd. :) The shelter looks smallish, but perhaps German shelters were smaller than USAFE shelters? AFIAK, USAFE built two sizes of shelters, an early type that could house an F-4 but had to be revised to house an F-15, and a later type that could take two A-7's side by side. What I mean to say is that compared to the later USAFE shelter, the Revell model is way off scale, but perhaps not when compared to the early type. A comparison with a real Luftwaffe shelter would answer this question completely, of course. Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phillyb Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 The shelter looks smallish, but perhaps German shelters were smaller than USAFE shelters? AFIAK, USAFE built two sizes of shelters, an early type that could house an F-4 but had to be revised to house an F-15, and a later type that could take two A-7's side by side. What I mean to say is that compared to the later USAFE shelter, the Revell model is way off scale, but perhaps not when compared to the early type. A comparison with a real Luftwaffe shelter would answer this question completely, of course. Rob It was the early type that was at Ramstein it housed one F-4, it was tight , do you know wher I could get some info ,as in height ,width, and length . I want to make one as accuratly as possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob de Bie Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 It was the early type that was at Ramstein it housed one F-4, it was tight , do you know wher I could get some info ,as in height ,width, and length . I want to make one as accuratly as possible. The best idea I can come up with is to measure one at Bitburg or perhaps Hahn. Bitburg is now a business area under development: Flugplatz Bitburg I seem to remember that there were small and large shelters at Bitburg. Perhaps the people behind the website can help? Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phillyb Posted December 31, 2008 Author Share Posted December 31, 2008 The best idea I can come up with is to measure one at Bitburg or perhaps Hahn. Bitburg is now a business area under development:Flugplatz Bitburg I seem to remember that there were small and large shelters at Bitburg. Perhaps the people behind the website can help? Rob Thanks Rob I hope I can get something going Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SBARC Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Here's some info.... USAFE TAB VEE--24-feet radius semicircular arch, 48 feet wide by 100.8 feet long, front closure prow shaped, vertically hinged, recessed door. First Generation Aircraft Shelter (TAB VEE Modified). 24-feet radius semicircular arch, 48 feet wide by 100.8 feet long, front closure prow shaped, laterally opening, external flush door. Second Generation Aircraft Shelter. 29.4-feet double-radius, pseudoelliptical arch, 82 feet wide by 124 feet long, vertical reinforced concrete panel, laterally opening, sliding, external flush door. Third Generation Aircraft Shelter. 27.4-feet double-radius, pseudoelliptical arch, 70.8 feet wide by 120 feet long, vertical reinforced concrete panel, laterally opening, sliding, external flush door. Personnel door at one side with barricade. Korean TAB VEE. 24-feet radius semicircular arch, 48 feet wide by 100.8 feet long, open front. Exhaust port in rear wall protected only by a blast deflector barricade (otherwise identical to USAFE TAB VEE). When hardened doors are installed, consider these shelters as TAB VEE Modified. Korean Flow-Through--Constructed from third generation drawing but omits front door, back wall, and personnel door, 70.8 feet wide by 120 feet long, 27.4-feet double-radius, pseudoelliptical arch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phillyb Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 Here's some info....USAFE TAB VEE--24-feet radius semicircular arch, 48 feet wide by 100.8 feet long, front closure prow shaped, vertically hinged, recessed door. First Generation Aircraft Shelter (TAB VEE Modified). 24-feet radius semicircular arch, 48 feet wide by 100.8 feet long, front closure prow shaped, laterally opening, external flush door. Second Generation Aircraft Shelter. 29.4-feet double-radius, pseudoelliptical arch, 82 feet wide by 124 feet long, vertical reinforced concrete panel, laterally opening, sliding, external flush door. Third Generation Aircraft Shelter. 27.4-feet double-radius, pseudoelliptical arch, 70.8 feet wide by 120 feet long, vertical reinforced concrete panel, laterally opening, sliding, external flush door. Personnel door at one side with barricade. Korean TAB VEE. 24-feet radius semicircular arch, 48 feet wide by 100.8 feet long, open front. Exhaust port in rear wall protected only by a blast deflector barricade (otherwise identical to USAFE TAB VEE). When hardened doors are installed, consider these shelters as TAB VEE Modified. Korean Flow-Through--Constructed from third generation drawing but omits front door, back wall, and personnel door, 70.8 feet wide by 120 feet long, 27.4-feet double-radius, pseudoelliptical arch. Thanks for the great info that is going to help a great deal Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffryfontaine Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Before Revell of Germany offered that Aircraft Shelter another German company by the name of Preiser was selling pretty much the same shelter as a kit in whatever scale Preiser was making models. They were smaller than the Roco brand miniatures and definitely not HO scale. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheUgly Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Some time ago I started to build my own tab vee in 1/48 scale. Although my project is now on hold, I recently discovered the following web page which gives some idea about the double corrugated sheet inside the shelter. I hope it helps. Just click on the second button under the "HOME" button on the left side. You'll see the english link from then on. double corrugated sheet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderGrunt Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Does anyone know if these are availible in 1/48 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
triple nickel Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) I was at Hahn a few days ago. See photos of some shelters here. They look very small.. Greetz, Ron Niederrhein Aviation Society http://www.sgniederrhein.eu Edited March 26, 2010 by triple nickel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tiger 01 Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Mmmmmmm, makes me want to build one. Would you have pics of the third gen shelters? I'd like to know where the doors are, and what they look like. Thanks in advance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mr_h2opro Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 I was stationed at Hahn AB 1977 - 1979. The tab-V's are like home to me. Sad to see the pics of them being overtaken by underbrush. There is on tab-V there that probably still has the tip of one of my fingers mashed into the concrete from a cold and snowy night when I was driving an MJ-1 "Jammer" with a 500lb Snakeye bomb. The transmission slipped and slammed the Jammer into the wall... with my hand in between! Oh man! That was a long, long night. Thank God for the freezing cold and the hash, or it would have been even worse. I've not been back to Hahn since January 6, 1979. I've been told it is a commercial airport now. Based on your pics, I assume some of the old base "stuff" still remains? Lots of good... and not-so-good memories from that place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Here is a 1/144 aircraft shelter. I don't know if this is what you are looking for... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob de Bie Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 In a Shizuoka 2012 photo report I noted a new paper shelter in 1/144 scale, by Sankei Miniatuart: http://www.hobby-show.info/shizuoka2012/cimg7283.htm HLJ has it listed as preorder: http://www.hlj.com Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philippe.chauvin Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Here's some info.... USAFE TAB VEE--24-feet radius semicircular arch, 48 feet wide by 100.8 feet long, front closure prow shaped, vertically hinged, recessed door. First Generation Aircraft Shelter (TAB VEE Modified). 24-feet radius semicircular arch, 48 feet wide by 100.8 feet long, front closure prow shaped, laterally opening, external flush door. Second Generation Aircraft Shelter. 29.4-feet double-radius, pseudoelliptical arch, 82 feet wide by 124 feet long, vertical reinforced concrete panel, laterally opening, sliding, external flush door. Third Generation Aircraft Shelter. 27.4-feet double-radius, pseudoelliptical arch, 70.8 feet wide by 120 feet long, vertical reinforced concrete panel, laterally opening, sliding, external flush door. Personnel door at one side with barricade. Korean TAB VEE. 24-feet radius semicircular arch, 48 feet wide by 100.8 feet long, open front. Exhaust port in rear wall protected only by a blast deflector barricade (otherwise identical to USAFE TAB VEE). When hardened doors are installed, consider these shelters as TAB VEE Modified. Korean Flow-Through--Constructed from third generation drawing but omits front door, back wall, and personnel door, 70.8 feet wide by 120 feet long, 27.4-feet double-radius, pseudoelliptical arch. Hi, It's with this informations I release my TAB Vee second generation First generation Edited June 28, 2012 by philippe.chauvin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob de Bie Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 I just found a really nice set of construction photos of the TAB-Vs at Soesterberg: https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/foto-s/?q=shelterbouw&fq%5B%5D=search_s_mediatype:%22Foto%27s%22&mode=gallery&view=horizontal Maybe the details are useful for anyone building one in scale. Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob de Bie Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 I looked again at the photos, and to my surprise there is no steel reinforcement (rebar) visible before the concrete is poured. The pouring casings are already mostly installed, but no rebar. Yet in the one photo where the shelter's exhaust is missing, I see lots of rebar sticking out vertically. I'm confused 😗 Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric2020 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 This is perfect information Rob! I'm currently working on a shelter but its big!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob de Bie Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 The finding of the Soesterberg shelter construction photos, as reported above, resulted in an extensive webpage about TAB-VEE shelters: https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/models/tabvee.htm Let the building begin! 🙂 Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Rob, Hartelijk dank voor de link. Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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