11bee Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Because you can never fully trust a helicopter. :lol:/> What he said... Can't speak for others but it was drummed into me from day one that you always duck when under the rotor disk (and stay away from the t/r). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Todd Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 I'd Probably do just about anything for a 1/48 kit of either Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K5054NZ Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Team, I think I know the answer, but I'd like to ask anyway. I want to build a 1/72 Mi-8 with rocket pods in the colours of the Vietnam People's Air Force. I'm by no means an expert, nor will I have any doors open. Should I get the Hobby Boss or Zvezda kit, and why? Thanks in advance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Hobby Boss every time. Why ??........ HB left - KP/Itaeri/Zvezda right Available Mi-8 kits....... http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_mi-8_kits.html My Mi-8 builds..... http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_mi-8.html Happy Hipping. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) I agree with Ken but that said it depends on what your looking for and how much you want to spend. The HB kit does not have the rockets and wings, so you need the Zvezda kit or aftermarket (Dreammodel, Heli Resin, etc). Then you have to know the exhaust type which IIRC HB is late and VAF is probably early (I don't know but is how Murphy's law works for me) so a resin set from Pavla or Heli Resin. Fuel tanks, nose and dampers become the next questions. So the Zevzda OOB might met your modeling needs, even with the warts Ken talked about. Edited December 5, 2017 by Tank Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K5054NZ Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Thanks gents, that's the kind of simple summation I was hoping for! Depending on cost I may forget about the rocket pods...if I can get the HB kit for a price close to the Zvezda that's the decision made. Thanks for your links Ken, I was *this* close to PM'ing and asking if you had anything online about Hips outside this thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 As Tank says, a VAF Mi-8 is probably an early Mi-8T, whereas the HB kits are late Mi-8MT's (despite one of them being labelled as a 'Mi-8T') Here are the differences....... Mi-8T (Early Hip).... Mi-8MT/Mi-17 (late Hip).... So you cannot make an early VAF Mi-8T from the HB kit - without some mods. I did my Mi-8T using a Pavla resin set....... Have fun... Ken PS - More of my Hipiness..... http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_mi-8.html http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_mi-14.html http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_mi-17-18.html http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_mi-18.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 On 12/16/2009 at 4:04 AM, Flankerman said: It looks like a bog-standard Mi-8MTV-1 - with the radome for the weather radar removed. It has the fatter fuel tanks - and the clamshell doors are removed. It also looks like the lower cockpit windows have been 'blacked out' ??? Keep 'em coming...... Ken This looks like the Hip modified to run on Compressed Natural Gas. The turret looks like most graft on IR/FLIR turrets I've seen. Another interesting lump is the one forward of the roof hatch. - Bryan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 8 hours ago, BWDenver said: This looks like the Hip modified to run on Compressed Natural Gas. There was an LPG-powered Mi-8 - I photographed it at Lukovitsy many years ago. This one has extra fuel tanks, not gas powered. It serves with the Russian Customs Service......... https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/6554908 Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Attached is a shot taken in the mid 90's at a Moscow air show. I didn't take the shot, and won't discuss who did. The bird is an Mi-8MTB-5/Mi-17M. Interesting study in upgraded armor and the adoption of the ramp sililar to the Chinooks I few. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) On 12/5/2017 at 3:48 AM, Flankerman said: HB left - KP/Itaeri/Zvezda right Available Mi-8 kits....... http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_mi-8_kits.html My Mi-8 builds..... http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_mi-8.html Happy Hipping. Ken The real thing... Not sure if the Mi wipers have a "park" position. Most birds I've flow do. Looks like HB came close to getting the windows right. Note the center window extends about 3" farther down than the L & R chin bubbles. It looks like the bird had two defog lines on the outboard side. Edited September 29, 2019 by BWDenver added info Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Mi-8AMTSH The long high aspect ratio metal blades droop quite a bit. I must admit this is the first time I've noticed the antennas strung to the horizontal stabilizers. Likely HF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Not sure if the Mi wipers have a "park" position. Most birds I've flow do. Not the Mi-8/-17. You will find them in random positions. OK, not in the middle! :) :) :) Either the wiper is on one side (outer) or the other (centre) and it does not have to be symmetrical on the two sides. There are several versions as well. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 BWDenver...... note the winch in the two photos you posted - on the port side. Russian helicopters are flown from the left hand (port) seat - like airliners - hence the winch position. Western helos are flown from the RH (Starboard) seat - with the winch on the stbd side. An interesting difference... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Ken, That's not entirely true. The US 500D is flown from the LH seat, at least the civil version that I flew in the Rockies doing exploration work for oil companies. The 206 BII & BIII was flown from the RH side. The position of the pilot has more to do with what is known as "Translating Tendency" of the helicopter roto system. With the TR under the tip path plane the helo tends to hang one side low. Western Helos hang LH side low as that's where the thrust of the TR shifts them. The European birds with blades that rotate in the opposite direction hover RH side low. So the placement of the pilot likely has more to do with weight and balance than custom. The 500D took a bit of getting use to as you rally hung lower than a Bell bird. All total I have about 3500 Hrs in helos. Most in UH-1's, OH-58's and CH-47"s. And on the civil side 500D and 206 BII & BIII. And a little AH-1G time. Fun bird, especially in a dive... And why do you board a fighter or an airliner form the LH side? Has more to do with how Knights got on horses - with their swords.... Bryan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 And why do you board a fighter or an airliner form the LH side? Except for the F-104 and SAAB JAS-39 Gripen - both of which are boarded from the RH (starboard) side........ Talking of Knights - that's why we (in the UK) drive on the left - so that we would face an oncoming horseman on our right (with our sword arm).... That's also apparently why we shake hands - to show that we are unarmed. Meanwhile..... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bounce Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) I should like to build this one maybe... Edited July 30, 2020 by Bounce Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KMS Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) Hi all) I live in Ukraine, Dnipro)) sorry for my offtopic) I want to add. This helicopter is also used for parachuting in the military. For this, the entire rear of the helicopter is missing. A thin chain hangs instead of the rear doors.This is Mi-8MT (for Mi-8T rear propeller right on the tail) Mi-8T vs Mi-8MT. Some photos from this site have been lost. But the text is there. https://www.avsim.su/forum/topic/71628-ми-8т-и-ми-8мт-отличия/ Maybe you would like to watch extreme video Mi-8MT Ukraine Air Force)))) It is over the Kharkiv-Dnipro road))) Very impressive!)))) Edited August 9, 2020 by KMS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bounce Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 great videos! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Cool - Unfortunately only acceptable in totalitarian states. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, serendip said: Cool - Unfortunately only acceptable in totalitarian states. No kidding, the local Guard member flew over his folks house and people lost their minds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) Probably best to edit that. Mrac. Edited September 3, 2020 by serendip Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bo105flyer Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) x Edited November 10, 2020 by Bo105flyer Posted picture Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bo105flyer Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 On 7/14/2012 at 9:43 AM, 11bee said: I posted this on an unrelated thread but it's a good example of yet another "special" Hip. Another shot: Aside from the red star, the interesting thing about this Hip are the US-designed exhaust suppressors. I believe that this picture was taken in the US but I've come across a few shots of Hips with these suppressors operating in Iraq as well. Not sure what the purpose is of that shroud aft of the main rotor. This aircraft, N214XX, a Mi-17V-5 is owned by Red Star Helicopters in Las Vegas, NV. I saw it (minus the red star & with the aft part of the engine exhaust very sooty) this afternoon at the St. Landry Parish Airport (KOPL) in Opelousas, LA getting fuel. I will post pictures later as I have to transfer pictures from my phone to my lap top. Back in the 90's, Ft. Polk, LA had 2 Hips & a Hind for threat training at the base. When this aircraft took off it appeared to be heading to Ft. Polk. Steve Sliger Greenwell Springs, LA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bo105flyer Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 On 11/10/2020 at 1:14 AM, Bo105flyer said: This aircraft, N214XX, a Mi-17V-5 is owned by Red Star Helicopters in Las Vegas, NV. I saw it (minus the red star & with the aft part of the engine exhaust very sooty) this afternoon at the St. Landry Parish Airport (KOPL) in Opelousas, LA getting fuel. I will post pictures later as I have to transfer pictures from my phone to my lap top. Back in the 90's, Ft. Polk, LA had 2 Hips & a Hind for threat training at the base. When this aircraft took off it appeared to be heading to Ft. Polk. Steve Sliger Greenwell Springs, LA On 11/10/2020 at 1:14 AM, Bo105flyer said: This aircraft, N214XX, a Mi-17V-5 is owned by Red Star Helicopters in Las Vegas, NV. I saw it (minus the red star & with the aft part of the engine exhaust very sooty) this afternoon at the St. Landry Parish Airport (KOPL) in Opelousas, LA getting fuel. I will post pictures later as I have to transfer pictures from my phone to my lap top. Back in the 90's, Ft. Polk, LA had 2 Hips & a Hind for threat training at the base. When this aircraft took off it appeared to be heading to Ft. Polk. Steve Sliger Greenwell Springs, LA It took awhile but I figured out how to post these photos of the Mi-17V-5 N214XX that I saw at Opelousas St. Landry Parish (KOPL) airport back in November. Note that the nose is not blunt like the Mi-8 or Mi-17 stock nose is. I don't know if this is a mod done by the owner he in the states or was an actual addition to a later version of the aircraft. Steve Sliger Greenwell Springs, LA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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