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Why do people always duck underneath rotor blades, even if they're 12' off the ground? :)

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Why do people always duck underneath rotor blades, even if they're 12' off the ground? :)/>

Because you can never fully trust a helicopter. :lol:

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Because you can never fully trust a helicopter. :lol:/>

What he said...

Can't speak for others but it was drummed into me from day one that you always duck when under the rotor disk (and stay away from the t/r).

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I'd Probably do just about anything for a 1/48 kit of either

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Team, 

I think I know the answer, but I'd like to ask anyway.

 

I want to build a 1/72 Mi-8 with rocket pods in the colours of the Vietnam People's Air Force. I'm by no means an expert, nor will I have any doors open. Should I get the Hobby Boss or Zvezda kit, and why?

 

Thanks in advance.

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I agree with Ken but that said it depends on what your looking for and how much you want to spend.

 

The HB kit does not have the rockets and wings, so you need the Zvezda kit or aftermarket (Dreammodel, Heli Resin, etc). Then you have to know the exhaust type which IIRC HB is late and VAF is probably early (I don't know but is how Murphy's law works for me) so a resin set from Pavla or Heli Resin. Fuel tanks, nose and dampers become the next questions.

 

So the Zevzda OOB might met your modeling needs, even with the warts Ken talked about. 

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Thanks gents, that's the kind of simple summation I was hoping for!

 

Depending on cost I may forget about the rocket pods...if I can get the HB kit for a price close to the Zvezda that's the decision made.

 

Thanks for your links Ken, I was *this* close to PM'ing and asking if you had anything online about Hips outside this thread.

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As Tank says, a VAF Mi-8 is probably an early Mi-8T, whereas the HB kits are late Mi-8MT's (despite one of them being labelled as a 'Mi-8T')

 

Here are the differences.......

 

Mi-8T (Early Hip)....

 

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Mi-8MT/Mi-17 (late Hip)....

 

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So you cannot make an early VAF Mi-8T from the HB kit - without some mods.

 

I did my Mi-8T using a Pavla resin set.......

 

Mi-8%20021.jpg

 

Have fun...

 

Ken

 

PS - More of my Hipiness.....

 

http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_mi-8.html

 

http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_mi-14.html

 

http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_mi-17-18.html

 

http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_mi-18.html

 

 

 

 

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On ‎12‎/‎16‎/‎2009 at 4:04 AM, Flankerman said:

It looks like a bog-standard Mi-8MTV-1 - with the radome for the weather radar removed.

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It has the fatter fuel tanks - and the clamshell doors are removed.

It also looks like the lower cockpit windows have been 'blacked out' ???

Keep 'em coming......

Ken

This looks like the Hip modified to run on Compressed Natural Gas.

 

The turret looks like most graft on IR/FLIR turrets I've seen.  Another interesting lump is the one forward of the roof hatch.

 

- Bryan

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8 hours ago, BWDenver said:

This looks like the Hip modified to run on Compressed Natural Gas.

 

There was an LPG-powered Mi-8 - I photographed it at Lukovitsy many years ago.

 

This one has extra fuel tanks, not gas powered.

 

It serves with the Russian Customs Service.........

 

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/6554908

 

Ken

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Attached is a shot taken in the mid 90's at a Moscow air show.  I didn't take the shot, and won't discuss who did.

 

The bird is an Mi-8MTB-5/Mi-17M.  Interesting study in upgraded armor and the adoption of the ramp sililar to the Chinooks I few. 

Mi-8MTB-5_Mi-17M_4a.jpg

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On ‎12‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 3:48 AM, Flankerman said:

HB left - KP/Itaeri/Zvezda right

 

Mi-8%20100.jpg

 

Available Mi-8 kits....... http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_mi-8_kits.html

 

My Mi-8 builds..... http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_mi-8.html

 

Happy Hipping.

 

Ken

MI_17_NoseSM.jpg.50401d48251577be6e83b1f597313968.jpg    

The real thing...

Not sure if the Mi wipers have a "park" position.  Most birds I've flow do.

 

Looks like HB came close to getting the windows right.  Note the center window extends about 3" farther down than the L & R chin bubbles.  It looks like the bird had two defog lines on the outboard side.

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Mi-8AMTSH

 

The long high aspect ratio metal blades droop quite a bit. 

 

I must admit this is the first time I've noticed the antennas strung to the horizontal stabilizers.  Likely HF.

Mi-8AMTSH_4sm.jpg

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Not sure if the Mi wipers have a "park" position.  Most birds I've flow do.

 

Not the Mi-8/-17. You will find them in random positions. OK, not in the middle! :)  :)  :)

Either the wiper is on one side (outer) or the other (centre) and it does not have to be symmetrical on the two sides. 

There are several versions as well.

 

Best regards

Gabor

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BWDenver...... note the winch in the two photos you posted - on the port side.

 

Russian helicopters are flown from the left hand (port) seat - like airliners - hence the winch position.

 

Western helos are flown from the RH  (Starboard) seat - with the winch on the stbd side.

 

An interesting difference...

 

Ken

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Ken,

 

That's not entirely true.  The US 500D is flown from the LH seat, at least the civil version that I flew in the Rockies doing exploration work for oil companies.  The 206 BII & BIII was flown from the RH side.

 

The position of the pilot has more to do with what is known as "Translating Tendency" of the helicopter roto system.  With the TR under the tip path plane the helo tends to hang one side low.  Western Helos hang LH side low as that's where the thrust of the TR shifts them.

 

The European birds with blades that rotate in the opposite direction hover RH side low.  So the placement of the pilot likely has more to do with weight and balance than custom.

 

The 500D took a bit of getting use to as you rally hung lower than a Bell bird.

 

All total I have about 3500 Hrs in helos.  Most in UH-1's, OH-58's and CH-47"s.  And on the civil side 500D and 206 BII & BIII.  And a little AH-1G time.  Fun bird, especially in a dive...

 

And why do you board a fighter or an airliner form the LH side?  Has more to do with how Knights got on horses - with their swords....

 

Bryan

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And why do you board a fighter or an airliner form the LH side?

 

Except for the F-104 and SAAB JAS-39 Gripen - both of which are boarded from the RH (starboard) side........ :whistle:

 

Talking of Knights - that's why we (in the UK) drive on the left - so that we would face an oncoming horseman on our right (with our sword arm)....

 

That's also apparently why we shake hands - to show that we are unarmed.

 

Meanwhile.....

 

Ken

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