starflyer Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 The time of painting coming close day by day and I still not have Idea about my Mig-21 subject......at the beginning I was thinking about a heavy weathered Bulgarian MF, but I couldn't find pics of it or color profile ( in case I will be happy to find if you have ). Instead I found an actractive subject from Iraqui, in particular the following one......I scanned pic from "Osprey Arabic Mi19 and Mig 21 units in combat" book and the other view from courtesy of www.aci.org website ( I hope not violating copyright ) just because I have a question: Does some one know colors reference for this airplane?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DutyCat Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 The time of painting coming close day by day and I still not have Idea about my Mig-21 subject......at the beginning I was thinking about a heavy weathered Bulgarian MF, but I couldn't find pics of it or color profile ( in case I will be happy to find if you have ). Instead I found an actractive subject from Iraqui, in particular the following one......I scanned pic from "Osprey Arabic Mi19 and Mig 21 units in combat" book and the other view from courtesy of www.aci.org website ( I hope not violating copyright ) just because I have a question: Does some one know colors reference for this airplane?? That is actually pretty nice. Unfortunately, my 1/72 KP kit with Iraqi box art, did NOT come with Iraqi decals. I don't know about the colors, but it shouldn't be too hard to get in the ballpark. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
karl h Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 lindenhill has a book on iraqui planes and the decals too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ham Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I want to second what Karl H said about the Linden Hill Iraqi Fighters book and the new decal sheet. However, if you just want to do a MiG-21MF in Iraqi markings, Hi-Decal makes a sheet in 1/72 (72011). Sorry, I'm not sure about 1/48 or 1/32 sheets for Iraqi MiG-21MF's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starflyer Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 Thank you for answer, I have decasl from he box (Trumpeter 1/32) just markings on the wings and "number" side of fuselage, my only problem is about the colors reference....sand and green but.....what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bonehammer73 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Thank you for answer,I have decasl from he box (Trumpeter 1/32) just markings on the wings and "number" side of fuselage, my only problem is about the colors reference....sand and green but.....what? Looks like Sand & Spinach... there was a build on Aerei Modellismo featuring just that airplane. Let me get to my garage and I'll try to dig it up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starflyer Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 Looks like Sand & Spinach... there was a build on Aerei Modellismo featuring just that airplane. Let me get to my garage and I'll try to dig it up. Grazie paesà, if you will find it I will be glad, because I still didn't find any pics about......I am in doubt about the colors reference. Ciao Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 hiya the scheme isn't symmetrical on the wings; the standard sand & spinach camo is more in line with this pattern, as seen on Angolan example: http://hsfeatures.com/features04/mig21biscw_1.htm Iraqi mig-21, did have some variation, ill try to post some pics later if wanted Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thegoodsgt Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 You may need to "eyeball" the colors. When I don't have solid references, I spend a evening mixing, in various ratios, two or three colors that appear to my eye to be close to the final colors. It's a bit tedious but satisfying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bonehammer73 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) Found it, but this is really weird... In the article, they mention the colours as two browns (Dark Earth 30118 - Gunze Sangyo H72 + 20% Black and Brown 30219 - Gunze Sangyo H310 + 10% White) whereas the pictures show the darker colour as an unmistakeable Dark Green. The centerspread has a colour drawing by Michele Marsan about the same plane, but this time the colours are listed as "Yellow 33690" and "Dark Green 34064" with a Pale Blue 35200 underneath. These photos from Flickr show that the colours were Sand and Dark Green indeed: Link Link Link Lift Here makes a decal sheet for Yugoslavian Fishbeds, some of which are ex-Iraqi and retained the camouflage. The FS equivalents for the paint are listed on the instructions - which I don't have. Still, I think if you use RAF Middle Stone 30226 and Dark Green 34079, you won't be too far off. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Edited March 31, 2009 by Bonehammer73 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dustiepal Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Eagle strike did decals for the Iraqi Mig 21 in 1/32 scale http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=EP32032 . Hope that this helps. Dave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starflyer Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) hiyathe scheme isn't symmetrical on the wings; the standard sand & spinach camo is more in line with this pattern, as seen on Angolan example: http://hsfeatures.com/features04/mig21biscw_1.htm Iraqi mig-21, did have some variation, ill try to post some pics later if wanted Thank you indeed, the scheme on the pics of Iraqi is the reasons why I like very much this "681" airplane......I don't like the standard sand&spinach scheme, do you think what I scanned is totally by fantasy? You may need to "eyeball" the colors. When I don't have solid references, I spend a evening mixing, in various ratios, two or three colors that appear to my eye to be close to the final colors. It's a bit tedious but satisfying. Thank you, of corse it will be my final approach in case.......I did the same for F-16 NASWC aggressor.....beautiful thrill. Found it, but this is really weird...In the article, they mention the colours as two browns (Dark Earth 30118 - Gunze Sangyo H72 + 20% Black and Brown 30219 - Gunze Sangyo H310 + 10% White) whereas the pictures show the darker colour as an unmistakeable Dark Green. The centerspread has a colour drawing by Michele Marsan about the same plane, but this time the colours are listed as "Yellow 33690" and "Dark Green 34064" with a Pale Blue 35200 underneath. These photos from Flickr show that the colours were Sand and Dark Green indeed: Link Link Link Lift Here makes a decal sheet for Yugoslavian Fishbeds, some of which are ex-Iraqi and retained the camouflage. The FS equivalents for the paint are listed on the instructions - which I don't have. Still, I think if you use RAF Middle Stone 30226 and Dark Green 34079, you won't be too far off. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Thank you very much, you giving me the most interesting references at the moment, I will go deeply in the sand & green camo......ciao If anyone have more please dont' esitate....I always looking for informations about the scheme I like. Edited April 1, 2009 by starflyer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ham Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I was able to look at my copy of Iraqi Fighters this evening. FWIW, it appears that most (but not all) Iraqi MiG-21MF's did not carry roundels on the upper surfaces of the wings. Camoflage colors are listed as sand and olive drab for the topside and light blue for underside. The photos certainly show various levels of fading and there doesn't seem to be a lot uniformity in the camoflage patterns. There are patterns which appear to be applied in the Soviet Union and others which look more like the Egyptian "tiger" stripes. Enjoy your build! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bonehammer73 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Many interesting pictures on this thread Posts #27 and #87 are especially relevant to your interests. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 (edited) here are the pics i promised - i tend not to trust profiles, unless they have pics to back them up..as they are often guesstimates...though not noted as such by the authors as for wing roundels...there is variation...some have 1 roundel on left wing/both wings/ none on wings Edited April 1, 2009 by Raymond Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Nice pics, Raymond! Are those British Jet Provosts in the second one..? Cheers, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
soulfreak Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Are those British Jet Provosts in the second one..? Iraqui Jet Provosts, build in UK. ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan Hothersall Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Here is a MiG-21bis I built a while ago, however in Syrian markings, but colours are identical to Iraq. MiG-21 build I used humbrol 103 cream, 76 (or was it 80) green and 65 light blue for the underside. All colours humbrol enamel. Hope this helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Dead Thread Resurrection award goes to..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dragan_mig31 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 The Iraqi AF used the GORKY/GORKI scheme on their MF`s.The same scheme as the czech AF but with different colors.That is the export SOVIET MIG-21 camo.The bis ware with the gorky scheme and with another one as shown on this migs that ware overhauled in Yugoslavia but ware left there due to the embargo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Nice pics, Dragan! Cheers, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Be aware that I've not found a single photo of an Iraqi MiG-21 that had insignias on the wings. Not a single one. Lots of profile art and decal sheets show them that way, but not a single photo. If someone has one, I'd love to see it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gabe Pincelli Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Be aware that I've not found a single photo of an Iraqi MiG-21 that had insignias on the wings. Not a single one. Lots of profile art and decal sheets show them that way, but not a single photo. If someone has one, I'd love to see it. I think the second phot in post #15 of this thread shows them (I think)... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dragan_mig31 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 The Iraqi MIG-21 BIS and MF`S did not carried roundels on the upper side of the wings.Only on the undersides. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gabe Pincelli Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 The Iraqi MIG-21 BIS and MF`S did not carried roundels on the upper side of the wings.Only on the undersides. Second photo in post #15 sure looks like it has them. I'm not very good at my MiG-21 recce though. Can anyone tell me whether that is a BIS or MF? Gabe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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