CreepyGuy Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I am just wondering if there is any murmurs or rumors about the Eduard 1/48 Phantoms..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G_Marcat_Italy Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I am just wondering if there is any murmurs or rumors about the Eduard 1/48 Phantoms..... Believe me... exactly this afternoon I was thinking of to ask the same question here.. If I do not go in error it should be two years that there are voices about the introduction on the market of the new line of Phantom in 1/48 from Eduard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I *think* it's only been one year since they announced it. But no, there hasn't been any news. And I think I can safely say, if you read any scale model discussion forum or website on a relatively regular basis, you *will* know when there is any new information made available. It will be discussed, a lot, everywhere. You won't be able to miss it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CreepyGuy Posted June 21, 2009 Author Share Posted June 21, 2009 I *think* it's only been one year since they announced it. But no, there hasn't been any news.And I think I can safely say, if you read any scale model discussion forum or website on a relatively regular basis, you *will* know when there is any new information made available. It will be discussed, a lot, everywhere. You won't be able to miss it. I know...I was just hoping that perhaps with Nats coming up, somebody might have heard something regarding a timetable or if they will even be done... Plus, I am currently debating if I want to convert a Hase J into a B knowing that as soon as I start, a B will be announced or released.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 They've said the MiG-21s will come first, and those haven't seen the light of day yet. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting by the mailbox for one to arrive. They've also said they're doing 1/32 Spitfires and several other things. I'm still waiting for the 1/72 MiG-15 that was announced like ten years ago. J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaydar Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I am just wondering if there is any murmurs or rumors about the Eduard 1/48 Phantoms..... SHHHH! Don't distract them. They have a Mig 21 to get done!! joe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Chladek Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 As I recall, the original announcement was more like three years ago. I anticipate a long wait, so don't hold your breath. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Long enough for Tamiya to scale down their F-4 kits.... Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dedalus Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I thought I read that they shelved the Mig-21 or canceled it completely. Mike Todd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mel Sharkskin Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 What I get from speaking with their marketing people (Hint: This is a red flag to consider the source) is that, well, they are waffling on their reissue of the Academy 1/48 MiG 21s. I don't think any Phantoms have even gone into the preliminaries of the preliminary stages, and might just be wishful thinking, though Lord knows we need modern Phantom kits (I wouldn't be surprised if Hobby Boss didn't get the jump, assuming they aren't totally tied to Trumpeter's plans). As for 1/32, they won't even be considering another type in the big scale until they've run their course of Bf 109s, which I am told will go up to the point that they are competing with the more modern of the Hasegawa 109s, which means they'll go through the F's and maybe the G-2, but not up to the G-6. I would guess they will stop after their last F. And then, given the wild success of these first two Bf 109E kits, they will by the time be well into production on a completely different type, possibly Spitfires, but even they don't know right now I would guess. This is what I have pieced together from talking to them at various times. But they do change their mind without giving any coherent reason. For example, the much touted re-pop of the Airfix EE Lightnings was off (as late as last year's nats, and I got that information from Vladimir Sulc himself) at the same time they said the MiG-21s were canceled. Now they are already promoting -- and indeed have a release date for -- the Lightnings. Anyway, take this information for what it's worth: Vague answers from marketing people, possibly unintentionally misleading quotes from the CEO, and industry gossip. Put that all together and it wouldn't pass muster with a newspaper editor as factual information. But it's good gossip. TOM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thegoodsgt Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Great background, Tom. What I take away from this discussion is that I should simply keep building models out of my stash -- including those Hasegawa Phantoms, which are still quite good considering their age -- and not wait for Eduard to bring something new to the market. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Long enough for Tamiya to scale down their F-4 kits.... And hopefully correct some of their grievous errors... J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Auger Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Great background, Tom. What I take away from this discussion is that I should simply keep building models out of my stash -- including those Hasegawa Phantoms, which are still quite good considering their age -- and not wait for Eduard to bring something new to the market. Well put. I was under the impression (awhile ago now) that the Mig 21's were to be new moulds, but if they are just modified Academy kits, then I'll finsih my stash of Mig 21's! Have been hoping for a new F-4B/N/C/D with recessed lines & better cockpit interior (like the Ed '110's/190's), but since I also have at least 10 Has. Phantoms, maybe I should build them first! lol. Hmmmm. I believe you guys just saved me some money! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantom Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 With the exeption of a couple more C/D Phantoms.........I'd better stick with the 25 Phantoms still to build in the stash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 (edited) I was under the impression (awhile ago now) that the Mig 21's were to be new moulds, but if they are just modified Academy kits, then I'll finsih my stash of Mig 21's! They were supposed to be new tooled kits but it seems like the goal of Eduard is to make a maximum of profit, lower the costs and risks. PE sets are cheap to make, reboxes are cheap to produce (no expensive tooling to do) and WWII planes are bigger sellers than jets. Given that tendency, it's likely I will not buy Eduard products anytime soon. Edited June 22, 2009 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jomamoce Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I am just wondering if there is any murmurs or rumors about the Eduard 1/48 Phantoms..... Whay Tamiya do not release the F-4 famaly in 1/72, 1/48 and new tool in 1/32!? The same holds true for the F-15. Whay Tamiya stop releasing new kits!? Cheers, César Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G_Marcat_Italy Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I was under the impression (awhile ago now) that the Mig 21's were to be new moulds, but if they are just modified Academy kits, then I'll finsih my stash of Mig 21's! It's the time for a decent MIG-21F-13 in 1/48. It's present in 1/72 & 1/32... 1/48 not. I need it to build this one: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Chladek Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Actually, what we need is somebody who is good at the art of deception to create a web page with sprue shots of a new tool F-4B Phantom to post online. People will see the images and buzz will be generated on the various forums. Then when Hasegawa sees the images, they will panic and finally tool up an all new thin wing so that we will FINALLY have a decent recessed panel line F-4B in 1/48 scale. It seems they don't do anything until somebody else comes along and is about 90% done with the work to bring a kit to market before they put the iron to the fire (they did it to compete with the Kinetic Sufa). Its the same type of stuff that Tamiya used to pull about a decade ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) ...(I wouldn't be surprised if Hobby Boss didn't get the jump, assuming they aren't totally tied to Trumpeter's plans). Every time I hear (or think about) such a possibility, I have fears of a potentially better model being passed on by a better company - like Eduard, in this case! Rivet Repulsed Edited June 23, 2009 by Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CreepyGuy Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 It's the time for a decent MIG-21F-13 in 1/48.It's present in 1/72 & 1/32... 1/48 not. I need it to build this one: I would also love to build this Mig... I guess I have now resolved to plastic surgery on an F-4J to turn it into a B. It just is frustrating that if the Luftwaffe flew a prototype of any plane, we get new versions of the prototype, even if it did not go operational, from three different companies but two of the most produced jets in history, the MiG-21 and the F-4 are relegated to kits that have been around since at least the 1980s. Maybe that is all we need to do...start the rumor that the Luftwaffe was flying the F-4B and the MiG-21 F-13 in World War II and we will get new kits.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twhite80 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I have a Hasegawa B/N in my stash, but it just kind of sits there and stares at me with puppy eyes, know that it would certainly be the last Phantom built because it was born with raised panel lines. With as many phantoms being built as there are I am very surprised that no one has come out with a new tooled kit especially for the B/C/D/N jets. It seems like you have to spend at least $30 on aftermarket parts just to build a Hasegawa phantom that resembles the real thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
borz666 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 CreepyGuy: "It just is frustrating that if the Luftwaffe flew a prototype of any plane, we get new versions of the prototype, even if it did not go operational, from three different companies but two of the most produced jets in history, the MiG-21 and the F-4 are relegated to kits that have been around since at least the 1980s." AMEN Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I think the last news of the Phantom was buried in the December or January newsletter. They stated they were still a year off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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