Zero Enna Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I'm planning to build an Su-30, from a Berkut (the brand, not the airplane) 1/72 Su-37, It will be a major conversion (at least I've stretched the fuselaje by 6 mm and will stretch another 3 mm at the rear part). I have some spare parts from Italeri Su-27 and "so called" Su-33. I've noticed that the Italeri main gear wheels are bigger than Berkut's, so, I want to know the actual diametre of the wheels, then I'll use the right set. About the nose gear wheels: I'll use the Italeri landing gear with some modifications. I hope the wheels have the right size, if not, I have the Berkut wheels. I think I'll need the nose gear wheels' actual size. I think I've seen that info somewhere, but I can't remember where. Thanks a lot in advance. Best regards. José. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haneto Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I will have to check my references in my home copmuter this night so that I can tell the measured size. As far as I know,the wheel size of Su-27 and Su-33 is the same. But the wheel hub is different(both front gear wheel and main gear wheel). I would recommend you the Equipage rubber tires+resin hub. They are excellent in details and size. I bought mine from Guy@Linden Hill Imports. Here is one picture from Scalemodel.ru just FYI. (Oddly I cannot find wheel hub pics of standard Su-27 on Internet right now......) Su-33: BTW,the updated Su-27SM use the same main wheel hub as Su-33 according to my picture references. My 2 cents, Yufei Quote Link to post Share on other sites
albert_sy2 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 what's that red thing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoops Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 what's that red thing Wheel chock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
albert_sy2 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 why is there red paint on the wheel? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bonehammer73 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 why is there red paint on the wheel? Tyre creep mark. It tells whether the tyre 'slips' with respect to the wheel, which is a bad thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 The mainwheels on a Su-27 are KT-156D with a size of 1030 x 350mm The single nosewheel is a KN-27 sized 680x260 mm The twin nosewheels on the Su-35 (old one) and Su-30MK are 620x180 mm - the Su-33 twin nosewheels are the same size. Sizes for the Su-34 are :- KT-206 mainwheels 950x400mm, nosewheels KN-27 680x260 mm I'll let you do the conversion (1030 / 72 for the Su-27)..... There are two styles of mainwheel hubs - early ones had a single hole in the centre with a wire 'cross' piece, later ones had a series of concentric small holes - both styles for brake cooling..... The early style ones are in the Airfix, Heller & Hasegawa/Revell Flanker kits - so need to be replaced by the excellent Equipage sets. The nosewheel in the Airfix kit is also an early version - with three holes in the FOD guard. All single-nosewheel Flankers standardised on the later style one-hole version. I hope that ICM pick this up in their 'upgrade' Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zero Enna Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 Thanks a lot for your replies. Ken; Thanks a lot for the measures, that's all I needed. Best regards. José. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inquisitor Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 The early style ones are in the Airfix, Heller & Hasegawa/Revell Flanker kits - so need to be replaced by the excellent Equipage sets.Ken Now the question is, where can one buy Equipage wheels? The lindenhill page shows the su-27 wheels sold out and discontinued. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Now the question is, where can one buy Equipage wheels? The lindenhill page shows the su-27 wheels sold out and discontinued. You have hit upon the problem....... Equipage wheels are excellent - but distribution is a bit hit-and-miss. I picked mine up in a model shop in Moscow - but even they had only one set As with most garage/aftermarket enterprises, I suspect that Equipage is a one man band - and only produces stuff when he can get supplies of resin/rubber etc. He might not even be trading any more...... I would have thought that the likes of Aires or Quickboost would have come up with something, the potential market for Flanker aftermarket stuff must be quite big. But, as ever, we Flanker fans are the poor relations when it comes to kits and goodies....... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haneto Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 As for Equipage tires,try Armory online shop from Ukraine. They accept Paypal as I was told by the owner Taras. Another good news is that it seems Equipage picked up their business again recently,with some new pruducts such as 1/72 An-12 tires. Hope that could help. Yufei Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inquisitor Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 (edited) Just to clarify my previous post, the Linden hill equipage product page hasn't been updated since 2008. It had a note stating Equipage was discontinuing their products and some of the list were already marked as sold out. Well, anyways sent them an email yesterday after replying to this thread, and got an answer today, they have 1/72 Su-27 wheels. I guess, like Haneto said, seems Equipage picked up their business again. Edited June 27, 2009 by Inquisitor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Interesting. I ordered some sets from Linden Hill when they still got them but the Flanker wheels had already run out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Linden Hill Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Just to clarify my previous post, the Linden hill equipage product page hasn't been updated since 2008. Not true. I update the Equipage page virtually on a weekly basis to reflect which sets have sold out. The last announcement on Equipage dates back to August 2008 and is still valid. The Aboimovs (Equipage) have indeed ceased in-house production. The tyre factory where they sourced their raw materials has closed down, plus one of the brothers got married and the other got a better job, leaving little time for their hobby business. Equipage do on occasion ship sets to me, but they outsource manufacturing and have to use silicon instead of rubber for the tyres (which is much more expensive). I actually just received a new batch of 1/72 Su-27 wheels (along with Tu-16K and An-24/26 sets). I will update the Equipage page to reflect this later this week. The wholesale prices charged to us almost doubled since production was outsourced, so be prepared for this to be reflected in the retail prices. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Not true. I update the Equipage page virtually on a weekly basis to reflect which sets have sold out. The last announcement on Equipage dates back to August 2008 and is still valid.The Aboimovs (Equipage) have indeed ceased in-house production. The tyre factory where they sourced their raw materials has closed down, plus one of the brothers got married and the other got a better job, leaving little time for their hobby business. Equipage do on occasion ship sets to me, but they outsource manufacturing and have to use silicon instead of rubber for the tyres (which is much more expensive). I actually just received a new batch of 1/72 Su-27 wheels (along with Tu-16K and An-24/26 sets). I will update the Equipage page to reflect this later this week. The wholesale prices charged to us almost doubled since production was outsourced, so be prepared for this to be reflected in the retail prices. How would you describe the quality of the new tyres/wheels? I was quite satisfied with the ones I ordered from you although some sets had a bit soft detailing. Nice to know the Flanker wheels really are back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haneto Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Found some pictures of Equipage tires(all in 1/48). Pay attention to the main gear wheel hub---Su-27 ones is different from Su-33's(upper right one). Good job,Equipage! Su-27: Su-33: Yufei Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) You are absolutely spot on, Yufei - the Su-27 & Su-33 wheel hubs ARE different..... :) I had never noticed before - I must be getting old..... I looked through my collection of photos for these.... Su-27 .......... Su-27 ................ Su-33 .... note the four 'cutouts' around the inner rim..... Su-33 .... Note that the Su-33 has a fatter leg with tie-down rings - and a bigger, beefed up locking mechanism. Interestingly, the new Su-35 has a variation on the Su-33 style - this is 901 at MAKS 07.... Note also the different colours - if anyone says your green wheel hubs are wrong - show them these photos !! Ken Edited July 1, 2009 by Flankerman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haneto Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Thanks a lot for the real thing photo,Ken!which explained perfectly. So many details available nowadays but even not an accurate Flanker kit available...... What a shame/waste! (what makes me think about that pending Gr**t W*** kits......) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Linden Hill Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 How would you describe the quality of the new tyres/wheels? I was quite satisfied with the ones I ordered from you although some sets had a bit soft detailing. Nice to know the Flanker wheels really are back. The new sets contain resin wheel hubs retooled and cast by Yevgeny at Heliborne before he fell ill earlier this year. Although they're no longer cast in 'wheel hub green' resin, they do show finer detail. The tyres are molded in black silicon. I also have the Su-30MK/33/35/37/Berkut set back in stock. http://www.lindenhillimports.com/equipage.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flanker Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 (edited) As for Equipage tires,try Armory online shop from Ukraine.They accept Paypal as I was told by the owner Taras. Another good news is that it seems Equipage picked up their business again recently,with some new pruducts such as 1/72 An-12 tires. Hope that could help. Yufei Haneto please could you confirm that there are Equipage An-12 wheels ? I do not see them on their catalogue and i thought that there were only pe sets and decals as aftermarket for roden An-12(not a single resin product). Edited December 13, 2010 by flanker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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