Marcel111 Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 I'd like to build a GAF EF-2000 when the 1/32 Revell offering is released. That said, I have some questions, I wonder if you guys know the details: 1. PIRATE: Current German Typhoons are not equipped with PIRATE (except for some test bed aircraft). Can anybody say if/when they will be thus equipped? I do hope they will be, building a Typhoon without PIRATE would be a little like building an A-10 without the gun as far as I'm concerned. 2. AIM-120: From what I have been able to research online, German Typhoons could carry AIM-120s but currently don't. They certainly don't carry them for air policing duties (typical loadout from what I've seen and read is 2xIRIS-T. Does anybody know anything more on this? Thx, Marcel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paolo Maglio Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Has been discussed several times over these pages. Luftwaffe did not buy PIRATE for its Typhoons, and will use AIM-120 only in case of war. Sorry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marcel111 Posted July 12, 2009 Author Share Posted July 12, 2009 Has been discussed several times over these pages.Luftwaffe did not buy PIRATE for its Typhoons, and will use AIM-120 only in case of war. Sorry thx Paolo... did an ARC search and didn't come up with anything. On PIRATE, my question is more about future state, I'm aware that PIRATE is currently not used operationally. But since some German test aircraft carry the system, and there seems to be intense interest from the GAF for the system (from all I've read online), I"m wondering if anyone has more information on the future state of PIRATE with GAF Typhoons. Marcel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magman2 Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 I'd like to build a GAF EF-2000 when the 1/32 Revell offering is released. That said, I have some questions, I wonder if you guys know the details:1. PIRATE: Current German Typhoons are not equipped with PIRATE (except for some test bed aircraft). Can anybody say if/when they will be thus equipped? I do hope they will be, building a Typhoon without PIRATE would be a little like building an A-10 without the gun as far as I'm concerned. 2. AIM-120: From what I have been able to research online, German Typhoons could carry AIM-120s but currently don't. They certainly don't carry them for air policing duties (typical loadout from what I've seen and read is 2xIRIS-T. Does anybody know anything more on this? Thx, Marcel test bed aircraft this will make a nice German Typhoon Net Photo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koen L Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Can't see Magman's photo but I assume he's talking about this aircraft of which I got some shots 2 weeks ago: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobski Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I'd like to build a GAF EF-2000 when the 1/32 Revell offering is released. That said, I have some questions, I wonder if you guys know the details:1. PIRATE: Current German Typhoons are not equipped with PIRATE (except for some test bed aircraft). Can anybody say if/when they will be thus equipped? I do hope they will be, building a Typhoon without PIRATE would be a little like building an A-10 without the gun as far as I'm concerned. 2. AIM-120: From what I have been able to research online, German Typhoons could carry AIM-120s but currently don't. They certainly don't carry them for air policing duties (typical loadout from what I've seen and read is 2xIRIS-T. Does anybody know anything more on this? Thx, Marcel Luftwaffe Typhoons do not carry PIRATE and the last time I checked they are not getting it on future jets either. AIM-120 - the Luftwaffe can carry it and sometimes do, but not frequently. Austrian aircraft, on the other hand, do not carry it at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spongebob Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I didn't think the Luftwaffe bought Typhoons? IIRC they liked "Eurofighter" better an never adopted the "Typhoon" name. Spongebob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Julien (UK) Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I didn't think the Luftwaffe bought Typhoons? IIRC they liked "Eurofighter" better an never adopted the "Typhoon" name.Spongebob I cant think why Julien Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobski Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Can't see Magman's photo but I assume he's talking about this aircraft of which I got some shots 2 weeks ago: No, Magman's photo is of IPA7 - that is a standard Luftwaffe jet that is used for test / demonstration purposes (hence the addition of the PIRATE). I believe that particular one had it fitted for the demonstration in Switzerland at the back end of last year. Still, good catch. I didn't think the Luftwaffe bought Typhoons? IIRC they liked "Eurofighter" better an never adopted the "Typhoon" name.Spongebob Correct, the Luftwaffe aircraft are known as "Eurofighters". In fact, I believe the only countries whose Typhoons are actually called "Typhoons" are the UK and Saudi Arabia. The Germans, Austrians are Eurofighters, as are the Italians (Paolo - please correct me if I am wrong) and the Spanish call theirs the C.16. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koen L Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 No, Magman's photo is of IPA7 - that is a standard Luftwaffe jet that is used for test / demonstration purposes (hence the addition of the PIRATE). I believe that particular one had it fitted for the demonstration in Switzerland at the back end of last year. Still, good catch. Thanks. Somehow Magman's photo didn't show up when I posted my reply and it still doesn't show up on my pc. Koen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paolo Maglio Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 (Paolo - please correct me if I am wrong) Well, since on the tails of all our EF-2000 you can read Typhoon: I think you can officially name that way here in Italy. That said the name is disliked by most, I don't know how pilots actually call it (will ask) but for sure it is more usually called Eurofighter or just EF-2000. Cheers Paolo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobski Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Well, since on the tails of all our EF-2000 you can read Typhoon: I think you can officially name that way here in Italy. That said the name is disliked by most, I don't know how pilots actually call it (will ask) but for sure it is more usually called Eurofighter or just EF-2000. Cheers Paolo D'oh! You can tell I don't see Italian Typhoons very often can't you? :blink: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magman2 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 One day No more Typhoon on the German aircraft 98+30 is primarily used in developmental testing of the weapon systems and software of the Eurofighter Typhoon Net photo (9/7/2006) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkW Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 6 GBU-12s isn't the max AG loadout I hope!? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nev Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Can someone explain to me the German code system. In this thread we've got 98+07, 30+42 and 98+30. I'm guessing the 2nd number is the airframe number? But the first? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spotter Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 98+XX are the test aircraft, with 98+07 being IPA7 (industrial prod. a/c) and 98+03 being DA5 (decelopment a/c) and they are not part of the Luftwaffe. IPA7 belongs to the manufacturer whereas 98+03 is now within the fleet of WTD61 (Bundeswehr Technical and Airworthiness Center for Aircraft 61, part of the Federal Office of Defense Technology and Procurement (BWB)) The 30+XX are the regular Luftwaffe registrations - with some 31+XX also already flying around, but these 31+XX are the airframes that have been taken over from the reduced amount of EF bought by the Austrians. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobski Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 6 GBU-12s isn't the max AG loadout I hope!? That's 6 Paveway IV (not GBU-12), plus 2 IRIS-Ts, plus 4 AMRAAMs, plus a centreline drop tank. Currently the "maximum" (as in heaviest) load is 6x 1000lb UK Paveway IIs, all of which can be carried with a load of 4 AMRAAMs, 2 ASRAAMs / IRIS-Ts and external fuel. What's wrong with having 6 air-to-surface weapons as the maximum anyway? Sure it can't carry quite as many as an F-15E, but then it is also a lot smaller than an F-15E... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkW Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Aha. Sorry, hard to tell one 500lb Paveway series bomb from another when they are flight test painted. I didn't see the fuel tank, but assume that's because it's buried under all those bombs and missiles. Nothing wrong with that loadout at all, nor was I comparing it to any particualr airframe. But, that is the max--6 AG stations? You can't/shouldn't put anything on the centerline? I need to know how many more bombs to get when I start my Typhoon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobski Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Aha. Sorry, hard to tell one 500lb Paveway series bomb from another when they are flight test painted. I didn't see the fuel tank, but assume that's because it's buried under all those bombs and missiles.Nothing wrong with that loadout at all, nor was I comparing it to any particualr airframe. But, that is the max--6 AG stations? You can't/shouldn't put anything on the centerline? I need to know how many more bombs to get when I start my Typhoon. Yes, there are six stations that can carry air-to-surface ordnance, and as discussed before this is on top of the full air-to-air load that can be carried regardless of the aircraft's primary mission. The centreline station can carry either a fuel tank or an LDP - typically a LITENING III on RAF aircraft. The only 'wet' stations onto which you can load external fuel are the centreline and centre-wing stations. Currently the following air-to-surface weapons can be carried: UK Paveway II 1000lb LGBs (all 6 stations) UK 1000lb dumb bombs (all 6 stations) GBU-16 1000lb LGBs (I believe these are inboard and centre-wing only) GBU-10 2000lb LGBs (inboard and centre-wing only) Paveway IV is under test (as shown), so these too could be carried. RAF aircraft would carry either of the UK weapons or Paveway IV - the GBU-16s and GBU-10s, I believe, are for the other nations, however I'm not sure how frequently they are flown. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magman2 Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 (edited) Yes, there are six stations that can carry air-to-surface ordnance, and as discussed before this is on top of the full air-to-air load that can be carried regardless of the aircraft's primary mission. The centreline station can carry either a fuel tank or an LDP - typically a LITENING III on RAF aircraft. The only 'wet' stations onto which you can load external fuel are the centreline and centre-wing stations. Currently the following air-to-surface weapons can be carried: UK Paveway II 1000lb LGBs (all 6 stations) UK 1000lb dumb bombs (all 6 stations) GBU-16 1000lb LGBs (I believe these are inboard and centre-wing only) GBU-10 2000lb LGBs (inboard and centre-wing only) Paveway IV is under test (as shown), so these too could be carried. RAF aircraft would carry either of the UK weapons or Paveway IV - the GBU-16s and GBU-10s, I believe, are for the other nations, however I'm not sure how frequently they are flown. German Carry LITENING III on the centreline station like RAF Typhoons The Litening III was declared operational June 2008, its in service for over a year now Net Photo Edited July 15, 2009 by magman2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobski Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 German Carry LITENING III on the centreline station like RAF TyphoonsThe Litening III was declared operational June 2008, its in service for over a year now Net Photo That's a test airframe. Currently LITENING III is only operational with the RAF. It is not operational with the other nations, although it is cleared on the jet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkW Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Are there plans to test some of the more ridiculous AAM loads, like the 10 AAMs? I know that is a theoretical limit, but what is actually planned AND budgeted for flight certification are two different things. And, it actually looks like you could do 12--6 outboard IR misisles, and 6 body/inner wing AMRAAMS, and still have gas bags on the middle wing pylon. Is this correct? Or is there a reason why 10 is the published max number of AAMs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobski Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 (edited) Are there plans to test some of the more ridiculous AAM loads, like the 10 AAMs? I know that is a theoretical limit, but what is actually planned AND budgeted for flight certification are two different things.And, it actually looks like you could do 12--6 outboard IR misisles, and 6 body/inner wing AMRAAMS, and still have gas bags on the middle wing pylon. Is this correct? Or is there a reason why 10 is the published max number of AAMs? Unfortunately, even if I did know about future planned test loads, I wouldn't be able to talk about them until they are in the public domain. I can say that your theoretical load would not work as there aren't enough stations to have 6 MRAAMs, 6 SRAAMs and two wing tanks... The current maximum air-to-air load is 8 missiles - either 4 MRAAMs (AMRAAM currently, Meteor in future) and 4 SRAAMs (AIM-9L, ASRAAM and IRIS-T) or 6 MRAAMs and 2 SRAAMs, usually with 2 centre-wing tanks. 4 and 4 is the standard 'full' load for an air-to-air only jet and is the current RAF QRA load, although there is nothing to stop you loading 4 bombs onto the centre-wing and inner wing pylons and having a centreline tank, so you'd have 8 AAMs, 4 bombs and external fuel. Tough looking bird you guys have there.P@T Yes it is Edited July 15, 2009 by Bobski Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkW Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 (edited) Ah. Does the Typhoon have any double rails allowing for 2 AAMs at one station? Or is it envisioned as on missile per? Edited July 15, 2009 by MarkW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magman2 Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Ah. The Typhoon have any double rails allowing for 2 AAMC at one station? Or is it envisioned as on missile per? spanish Typhoons have tested double rails Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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