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I have seen this picture before in the past but never paid it much attention. After we finally discovered a photo of the EH-6B in late-2019, I noticed a few similarities and it appears this was also an EH-6B. It has the radar altimeter and antenna box under the belly, similar to the other EH-6B photographed. The Batwing SATCOM antenna is missing from the tailboom but the antenna base is there. Add the SATCOM antenna and you'll have a full-spec EH-6B!

 

 

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The serials commonly listed as being EH-6Bs are  68-17301, 68-17358 and 69-15977. The serial on this ship isn't fully legible but the first two numbers appear to be 15 so perhaps this is 69-15977. It appears to be CARC green with black lettering and this would be consistent with the previous info stated by GT.   

 

LD.

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On 8/16/2020 at 2:44 PM, Loach Driver said:

This poster is for sale from Heliops. I am not promoting it, but a portion of the purchase price does go to the Nightstalker Foundation. 

 

It does have some interesting types featured. It has the usual collection of Little Birds that we all know and love but among the drawings is one of the EH-6E. It isn't fitted with a FLIR turret but does have a SATCOM antenna on the tailboom.

 

Of equal interest are the drawings of the early Blackhawks and Chinooks, in particular the CH-47C+ and CH-47D+.  Those early Chinooks have received very little attention from us here. I need to break out Floyd's decal sheets to see if they are included. There is the odd photo here and there on the web of the early Hawks and Hooks but it'd be nice to see a few more.

 

https://www.heliopsmag.com/store/160th-SOAR-A-Special-Collectors-Edition-p227470874

 

LD.

Hi mate, the link is not working, any chance to get those documents ? Still searching for more info on Gulf war MH-47D, MH-60s and MH-6s.... Thanks !

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50 minutes ago, JakubJakepilot said:

Hi mate, the link is not working, any chance to get those documents ? Still searching for more info on Gulf war MH-47D, MH-60s and MH-6s.... Thanks !

Yes, for some reason the link doesn't work. The Heliops website seems to be down completely. You will find Heliops on Facebook and Ned Dawson is the guy to contact there. They generally print a batch of posters from initial orders with a deposit but they might have a few left over. Hopefully you can get one!

 

LD. 

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Found on the web today.

 

An MH-6H doing some State-side training, fitted with the low-rider platform.

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This photo is from the Night Stalkers Foundation website. It looks like a group photo of the initial cadre from TF158. Looks like an AH-6C hovering in the background with an OH-58C included, for some reason. 

 

LD.

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A couple of weeks ago I started to read back over this thread in its entirety. It contains a huge amount of information and I wanted to see if I'd missed or forgotten anything interesting. 

 

One little snippet of information that I found fascinating was a reference to the AH-6 gun birds by Killing Stone. He mentioned that the guns used during Operation Just Cause were fitted with 19-shot rockets pods. The configuration he mentioned was a single minigun on the left and a single 19-shot pod on the right. Basically the same configuration as the AH-6F but with the bigger pod fitted. I presume it was the M261 rocket pod.

 

GT pointed me in the right direction and after a little research and some significant assistance from a couple of former Night Stalkers, I have nailed down some solid info on the AH-6Gs used during Operation Just Cause. 

 

It looks like all Little Birds had been fitted with the C-30 engine by this time (late 1989) but the AH-6Gs were not fitted with the gun plank. Therefore, they were flying the AH-6Gs in the same configuration as the previous AH-6F, a single minigun on the left side and a single rocket pod on the right side. In Panama, some AH-6s flew with the 7-shot pod and some were fitted with the 19-shot pod. When they had the 19-shot pod fitted, they were limited to a maximum load of 14 rockets. Presumably this was approaching the weight limit of the fuselage mount for the pod. The down-turned IR Suppression Exhaust from GF1 and Gothic Serpent wasn't fitted to the AH-6G during Op Just Cause. As far as I can tell, 85-25346 was one of the AH-6Gs present in Panama with the M261 fitted. A few Panama AH-6s have appeared on some of the Werner Wings sheets so they will assist in anyone building an Op Just Cause gun bird.

 

LD.  

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What is the official FONT used on the tail boom of the "J" Little Birds please to write UNITED STATES ARMY?  I'm doing a build in 1:18 scale so I'm having to go it alone sourcing the right decals or press-on lettering.  THANKS

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13 hours ago, HeavyArty said:

The standard helicopter font is Amarillo USAF.  I assume the Little Bird uses the same.

 

Wow, HeavyArty, THANKS.  A quick, precise answer.  I really appreciate that.   This has been a phenomenal thread I found recently and went back and read from the beginning.  I had no clue that it would still be going on now, though it has slacked off in recent months.  I hope people will continue to post here and keep the discussion alive.  Thanks to all who contributed so much, and thank you to HeavyArty for the quick assist.   James

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On 2/26/2021 at 8:16 AM, Tengu3 said:

 

Wow, HeavyArty, THANKS.  A quick, precise answer.  I really appreciate that.   This has been a phenomenal thread I found recently and went back and read from the beginning.  I had no clue that it would still be going on now, though it has slacked off in recent months.  I hope people will continue to post here and keep the discussion alive.  Thanks to all who contributed so much, and thank you to HeavyArty for the quick assist.   James

 

Sorry to disagree but this information is incorrect. If you look at TM-55-1500-345-23 "Painting and Marking of Army Aircraft", chapter 8 shows examples of the font.  The US Army block letters used for aircraft do not conform to any commercial font that I know of.  Amarillo USAF is similar but not 100% the same.  It's easier to see the differences if you look at the numbers - the 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 differ.  In "U.S. ARMY", S and M differ significantly, for example.

 

I researched this years ago and was going to develop a PostScript/TrueType font for the Army helicopter markings but there was not enough commercial interest to warrant the work to be done.  There are several 'stencil' fonts available for free on the Internet that are close but the last time I checked they also did not conform 100% to the helicopter markings.

 

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On 2/27/2021 at 3:58 PM, FM-Whip said:

 

Sorry to disagree but this information is incorrect. If you look at TM-55-1500-345-23 "Painting and Marking of Army Aircraft", chapter 8 shows examples of the font.  The US Army block letters used for aircraft do not conform to any commercial font that I know of.  Amarillo USAF is similar but not 100% the same.  It's easier to see the differences if you look at the numbers - the 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 differ.  In "U.S. ARMY", S and M differ significantly, for example.

 

I researched this years ago and was going to develop a PostScript/TrueType font for the Army helicopter markings but there was not enough commercial interest to warrant the work to be done.  There are several 'stencil' fonts available for free on the Internet that are close but the last time I checked they also did not conform 100% to the helicopter markings.

 

John Hairell

 

Hi John.  I very much appreciate the updated info, plus the referral to the proper TM and chapter.  The "M" Little Birds appear to use just "U.S. ARMY" on the tail boom, in a strong sans serif font, while the previous versions, including the "J" spell out, "UNITED STATES ARMY" in a different font.  I've been frustrated to find a good photo of a "J" Little Bird's tailboom with a clear view of the lettering.  I've got dozens and dozens of photos the "M" Little Bird tail booms, and early OH-6 Loach tail booms, but surprisingly the "J" eludes me.

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I'm modeling in 1:18 scale.  Does anyone here know of a decal sheet that will work for the tail boom subdued grey lettering?  I can even go with press-type dry transfer instead of decals, in which case 16 pt size is what I need.  Thanks to all.

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Came across this picture over on The Drive, taken this weekend during a large SOF exercise in VA.  Note the guy sitting in the aft compartment.  Don't think I've seen that before on an AH-6.    Also note the external cable running to the SATCOM antenna on the tailboom (which also seems to be a different style than what I've seen before). 

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Full article is at:

Navy SEALs And Army Night Stalkers Captured In Amazing Photos During Virginia Exercise (thedrive.com)

 

Lots of really good pics of the full range of 160th helos.  

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1 hour ago, 11bee said:

Came across this picture over on The Drive, taken this weekend during a large SOF exercise in VA.  Note the guy sitting in the aft compartment.  Don't think I've seen that before on an AH-6.    Also note the external cable running to the SATCOM antenna on the tailboom (which also seems to be a different style than what I've seen before). 

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Full article is at:

Navy SEALs And Army Night Stalkers Captured In Amazing Photos During Virginia Exercise (thedrive.com)

 

Lots of really good pics of the full range of 160th helos.  

 

Thanks, Eleven Bravo.  Some great fun stuff there.  I never got to ride on the exterior bench of an MH-6, which I dearly would have love to have done. 

I've only flown inside a civilian MD500 and even that was only doors-on. 

I have flown many many times in UH-1Ds and UH-60s, with the big side doors open, sitting "knees in the breeze" for transportation or for jump training (me 2nd from left in photo).

But I regret never having had the opportunity to fly NOE on the outside of a Little Bird.

UH-1D - 12th helo broadside w me on board - colour adjusted BEST.jpg

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