crazydon Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Speaking of which, is there a 1/32 Spitfire Mk. I on the market? If so, who by?Cheers Hasegawa does one, its a mish mash using the older release Mk Vb fuselage with a recently tooled Mk I wing. Revell also did a very old Mk I with no gull wing affect and retractible landing gear in the 60's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Revell in the US also boxes the Hasegawa Mk.V/Mk.I kit. I believe it's marketed as a Mk.I/II. Eduard has announced intentions to do 1/32 Spits as well, including a Mk.I. J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shawn C. Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I've been working feverishly on my PCM kit since this announcement. Pretty nice kit and only two challenging areas in the fit. One day I'm sure I'll build the Tamiya Mk. IX as I'm starting to enjoy the larger scale more and more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtypecanare Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) Check out the new images of the upcoming Spitfire. The new pilot figure looks awesome! http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/60319...mkixc/index.htm Edited October 5, 2009 by gtypecanare Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Roberts Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Sprue Bros has it on pre-sale today - $112.50 http://store.spruebrothers.com/shared/Stor...et=products.asp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 The new pilot figure looks awesome! Who's gonna put a pilot figure into that cockpit and cover up all that detail?? He does look nice though! Those metal belts are gonna leave a mark if he gets in a crash :D J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ScottD Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 (edited) Never mind..... Edited October 6, 2009 by ScottD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin_sam_2000 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Sprue Bros has it on pre-sale today - $112.50http://store.spruebrothers.com/shared/Stor...et=products.asp That is SOOOO tempting but I really can't justify it to SWMBO. I may just have to ask for it for christmas!! Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtypecanare Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 This should be in stores by the middle or end of November.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JasonB Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Wasn't the MK IX fuselage flush riveted? I guess not, at least according to Tamiya. http://www.hyperscale.com/2009/reviews/kit...9reviewbg_1.htm Engraved rivets rule! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Check those ailerons on the HS review. In order to do a Mk.VIII with short span ailerons, one only need chop the outer end of the top surface piece. My bet is the sprue with the retractable tail wheel parts will have a new wing tip with the outboard part of where the normal aileron sits attached to it. Very crever! Glad I ordered mine (and paid for it) for $105! J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anders_Isaksson Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) Check those ailerons on the HS review. In order to do a Mk.VIII with short span ailerons, one only need chop the outer end of the top surface piece. My bet is the sprue with the retractable tail wheel parts will have a new wing tip with the outboard part of where the normal aileron sits attached to it. Very crever!Glad I ordered mine (and paid for it) for $105! ;) J Sounds really promising! As nice as the new Mk IX looks I think I will hold out for a future Mk VIII. I have a few other pojects I can work on while waiting... Cheers, Anders Edited October 30, 2009 by Anders_Isaksson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Edgar Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) Wasn't the MK IX fuselage flush riveted? Yes it was, along with all other Marks from, and including, the Vc (but not the VI,) from June 1943. For some reason, that I can't, yet, discover, the aft interior of the IX's fuselage was unpainted from September 1943. Also, for lovers of the black pre-shading school, the panels overlapped, with rivets going through two thicknesses of metal; they were not butt-joined, and, as far as possible, the front panels overlapped the rear, so there was little chance of lines of dirt on show. Edgar Edited October 30, 2009 by Edgar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JasonB Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Yes it was, along with all other Marks from, and including, the Vc (but not the VI,) from June 1943. For some reason, that I can't, yet, discover, the aft interior of the IX's fuselage was unpainted from September 1943. Also, for lovers of the black pre-shading school, the panels overlapped, with rivets going through two thicknesses of metal; they were not butt-joined, and, as far as possible, the front panels overlapped the rear, so there was little chance of lines of dirt on show. Edgar My guess would be a savings in time and money on the paint. They probably found that the need for corrosion control in those areas were minimal, and decided to go without the paint for that reason. My comment on the rivets is because here we have a kit that it seems everyone and their brother is drooling all over, yet it is festooned with engraved rivets. How many times have we seen people complaining about the prescence of engraved rivets, where on the real thing they were either flush or raised? I'm not talking about the size of the engraved rivets ("divots") either, just the fact that they are there at all. I figured with all the declaration of perfection in scale with Tamiya's Spit, more than a few folks would be a little put off by it being covered by holes. Yes, they are very fine holes, but like those kits slammed in the past, they are holes that weren't on the real thing. They are no more correct than the rivets found on the wings of Mustang kits, or any finer than some of the fine rivet detail that was so slammed on say, the Kinetic 1/32 F-86 kit. On those kits, it was stated again and again how on the real thing, the rivets were either flush and virtually unnoticeable, or covered with putty and sanded smooth. I bet if I engraved my MkII spit with a plethora of fine drilled holes to represent the raised rivets on it, I would be called on it. Yet it would be just as correct as Tamiya's use of them. I figger whats good for the goose is good for the gander, and slobbering all over the kit, while ignoring the rivets or calling them "fine engraved detail", shows just a little bit of hypocrisy. That being said, it is nice, but theres no way I spend $100 plus for a single engine WWII prop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cksh Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I really really want this kit but it is getting pricey for me. I hate to say this, and never thought I would, but I might wait for eduards kit to see how it compares. It will probably be priced around the same as their 109E series and include engine detail. In which case I could buy a couple of them But that means I will have to wait for some build-ups of the eduard kit because I am not taking a chance. The tamiya will go together flawlessly without hardly using glue if their new 1/48 A6M5 is any indication I still have my PCM one so that will keep me for a while. Although some of the features on the tamiya have me giddy so I might break Especially if the wifey gives me a huge gift card for x-mas :wacko: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caiotfjr Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 My comment on the rivets is because here we have a kit that it seems everyone and their brother is drooling all over, yet it is festooned with engraved rivets. How many times have we seen people complaining about the prescence of engraved rivets, where on the real thing they were either flush or raised? I'm not talking about the size of the engraved rivets ("divots") either, just the fact that they are there at all. I figured with all the declaration of perfection in scale with Tamiya's Spit, more than a few folks would be a little put off by it being covered by holes. Yes, they are very fine holes, but like those kits slammed in the past, they are holes that weren't on the real thing. They are no more correct than the rivets found on the wings of Mustang kits, or any finer than some of the fine rivet detail that was so slammed on say, the Kinetic 1/32 F-86 kit. On those kits, it was stated again and again how on the real thing, the rivets were either flush and virtually unnoticeable, or covered with putty and sanded smooth. I bet if I engraved my MkII spit with a plethora of fine drilled holes to represent the raised rivets on it, I would be called on it. Yet it would be just as correct as Tamiya's use of them. I figger whats good for the goose is good for the gander, and slobbering all over the kit, while ignoring the rivets or calling them "fine engraved detail", shows just a little bit of hypocrisy. That being said, it is nice, but theres no way I spend $100 plus for a single engine WWII prop. Jason I think you are raising too many questions and I agree with you. You can't criticize Hase's, Tamiya's or Monogram's kits, but you can slam any "Chicom" on the same topic. The first kit festooned with divots was Hase's 1/48th F-104, but everyone criticizes Kinetic's F-16s for that. I just saw a resin nose for HB F-105 flawed outline, but anyone pointed that HB's has the same outline as Mono's F-105. ICM's Spit Merlin 60 are "unbuildable" (I've already build three of them and have four more boxed) while Hase's are built in droves and has a lot of aftermarket parts, despite its weird fuselage. Personaly, I don't pay too much atention to panel lines, in any scale except 1/1 they shouldn't be so proeminent. On a side matter, while P-51 wings were puttied in WWII, they weren't in Korea, so makes sense to represent the panel lines and leave to the modeler what to do with them... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modelmkr Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Pre-order? Get one when it comes out? Pfft! I've got mine in hand (well, in car trunk) now Picked it up at my local hobby shop at lunchtime... Let the plastic fondling begin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Nice, but I am only interested in the Mk. IXe. I bet aftermarket companies will be in a rush to release resin "e" wing gun bay covers and gun barrels, I am hoping Ultracast might do some. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Opinions about rivets are like, well, you know what part of our anatomy they're like. But there's a HUGE difference between the very restrained way that Tamiya has done the rivets on the Spit and the way Trumpeter (among others, but primarily them recently) does them. Tamiya's are very, very restrained engraved circles to represent the edge of a flush rivet. Is it "accurate" to scale? No way, no how. It couldn't possibly be. A well built flush riveted airplane shrunken down to 1/32 or 1/48 would be virtually smooth as an infant's posterior. Like many things in modeling, we're trying to *represent* something by fooling the eye. Under a coat or two of paint, those very restrained outlines will fool the eye into believing there are flush rivets there. Trumpeter did the same on their 1/32 Me262 quite successfully. On the other hand, many modern kits feature what I can only liken to greens cups on a golf course. If you scaled them up, they would be big enough to put your thumb into, and in some cases, a couple of fingers. Real airplanes don't have holes in them like that. Even if the intent is, and it is, to try an fool the eye into believing that there are rivets there, that approach utterly fails. It looks like there are holes there. I'd much prefer lines of raised mushroom head rivets to a bunch of divots that either ruin the entire model (Trumpeter 1/48 Sea Fury, for example), or make it so time consuming to fix (by filling and sanding) that it ruins the fun of building the model (Hasegawa 1/48 F-104s, for examle). Nobody is dissing anybody because they're "Chicom" or anything else. I diss them when they deserve it, and it happens that Trumpeter is at the top of that list for me at the moment. Other manufacturers are guilty as well (Dragon 1/32 P-51 anyone?), and it's not just Trumpeter. J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caiotfjr Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Nobody is dissing anybody because they're "Chicom" or anything else. I diss them when they deserve it, and it happens that Trumpeter is at the top of that list for me at the moment. Other manufacturers are guilty as well (Dragon 1/32 P-51 anyone?), and it's not just Trumpeter. Trump, HB, Kinetic and other chinese companies seem to atract more heat than other manufacturers. I can understand why someone bash Trump's mistakes given their prices, but I don't accept excuses being given for the same mistakes from other manufacturers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JasonB Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Opinions about rivets are like, well, you know what part of our anatomy they're like. But there's a HUGE difference between the very restrained way that Tamiya has done the rivets on the Spit and the way Trumpeter (among others, but primarily them recently) does them. Tamiya's are very, very restrained engraved circles to represent the edge of a flush rivet. Is it "accurate" to scale? No way, no how. It couldn't possibly be. A well built flush riveted airplane shrunken down to 1/32 or 1/48 would be virtually smooth as an infant's posterior. Like many things in modeling, we're trying to *represent* something by fooling the eye. Under a coat or two of paint, those very restrained outlines will fool the eye into believing there are flush rivets there. Trumpeter did the same on their 1/32 Me262 quite successfully. On the other hand, many modern kits feature what I can only liken to greens cups on a golf course. If you scaled them up, they would be big enough to put your thumb into, and in some cases, a couple of fingers. Real airplanes don't have holes in them like that. Even if the intent is, and it is, to try an fool the eye into believing that there are rivets there, that approach utterly fails. It looks like there are holes there. I'd much prefer lines of raised mushroom head rivets to a bunch of divots that either ruin the entire model (Trumpeter 1/48 Sea Fury, for example), or make it so time consuming to fix (by filling and sanding) that it ruins the fun of building the model (Hasegawa 1/48 F-104s, for examle). Nobody is dissing anybody because they're "Chicom" or anything else. I diss them when they deserve it, and it happens that Trumpeter is at the top of that list for me at the moment. Other manufacturers are guilty as well (Dragon 1/32 P-51 anyone?), and it's not just Trumpeter. J As I said, it has nothing to do with the size of the rivets at all. You mentioned the Trump 262 kit. You may have forgotten how much bashing there actually was of that kit because it had rivets at all, because we all know that they were puttied over on the real thing. The Kinetic F-86 was slammed to the Nth degree because it has indented rivets, which are every bit as fine as those on the Tamiya Spit. On the Kinetic kit they are so fine that they actually look a lot like stressed skin. However, they weren't supposed to be there at all, so the wailing went on and on. Even after a well known TC (whom people love to hate) said that after seeing the real thing in person and comparing it to the Kinetic kit, it looked very much like the real thing (under a coat of paint) and people still bashed the rivets as out of place and totally wrong. The Mustang wings with rivets-“totally wrong†it was said, and comments about coats of paint and MR. Surfacer making it alright were immediately brushed aside as being “apologists†for Dragon or any company that just screws it up every time Having looked at some photos online, (perhaps I have missed the good ones), lines of holes, even very restrained, don't look like the skin on a Spit MK IX. The ones that I saw looked like the skin was absolutely smooth from any distance at all. Yet you said they are trying to “ *represent* something by fooling the eye. Under a coat or two of paint, those very restrained outlines will fool the eye into believing there are flush rivets there.†As I said above, if that’s considered being an apologist for Dragon or other companies, then shouldn’t it apply to Tamiya equally? As I said, I think it’s a nice kit, but all of the drooling and comments of how perfect it is, are in pretty stark contrast to what I think the comments would be if it came from someone other than Tamiya, or perhaps Hasegawa. Plus its not a Mk I or II , so they got that wrong as well! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Trump, HB, Kinetic and other chinese companies seem to atract more heat than other manufacturers. I can understand why someone bash Trump's mistakes given their prices, but I don't accept excuses being given for the same mistakes from other manufacturers I agree, but it has nothing (to me) to do with the prices per se. I wouldn't care if the kits were 1/4 their asked price, I'd still not buy them because of the divots all over them (not to even get into the other bone-headed mistakes they consistently make). I don't think they attract more heat because of who they are. I think they attract more heat because it's also the case that the Chinese companies are putting out several times the number of new projects as the rest of the industry combined, so there's just more to talk about. J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
afspret Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Wow, the detail is totally awesome!. I haven't built any aircraft in 1/32 scale for years & I'm sooooo tempted to get one, but since I live in an apartment I'm hard up for space and would have no place to put it. Here's hoping they down size it to 1/48th scale ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caiotfjr Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Wow, the detail is totally awesome!. I haven't built any aircraft in 1/32 scale for years & I'm sooooo tempted to get one, but since I live in an apartment I'm hard up for space and would have no place to put it. Here's hoping they down size it to 1/48th scale ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ro-Gar Hobbies Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Watch the video about the new Tamiya Spitfire. http://www.hlj.com/podcasts.html# Robert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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