Berkut Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) I just have to say: I really like how Eduard has handled the making, and the release of the kit. Yes, the kit has been under development for some time, but looking at the pictures, it shows. In terms of details, shapes and options. (different extra canopy's, great!) I like how the fans have been listened to, and the things that was pointed out has been corrected. And it is nice with all those updates etc on facebook. It is also good to have an Eduard representative here on ARC, not many companies do that. So, i applaud Eduard, and wish them success. PS: And if Eduard decides to do MiG-23 family, then i will faint... Edited February 25, 2011 by Berkut Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Libor - I have sent two emails regarding the excess charge I received on my credit card for the overtrees kit. I have not received a reply. Can you please have a look? jrh at pemtel.net Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I really like how Eduard has handled the making, and the release of the kit. Yes, the kit has been under development for some time, but looking at the pictures, it shows. In terms of details, shapes and options. (different extra canopy's, great!) I like how the fans have been listened to, and the things that was pointed out has been corrected. And it is nice with all those updates etc on facebook. It is also good to have an Eduard representative here on ARC, not many companies do that.So, i applaud Eduard, and wish them success. I concure. I didn't like Eduard's behavior in the 1/32 Bf-109 canopy story and I was afraid when I read that they used a MiG-21ST as a model for the MiG-21bis. It seems to me that they changed their attitude toward the potential customers. They listen to them: Eduard is no toymaker, they make kits for demanding modellers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeskiM Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I guess that Soviet-made plane fans want 1/48 1st and 2nd generation MiG-21 and MiG-23/25/27/29/31s. Perhaps you could create a voting topic ? Personally I'm wondering if you plan to downscale the MF: in 1/72, the only MFs available are the KP and Plastyk kits... Why not just do ALL of the Migs made after the -21 !!! Seems obvious to me that it would work. - Matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Liberator24 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Couldn't care less about a MIG...until NOW..... I purchased the limited edition set from Eduard, and the facebook update is shear GENIUS!!! Time is running out on the special offer folks, check their site for details.......the gear itself is a piece of art well worth the Eduard price.... New fan of BRASSIN!!! Great product!! -Jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 For those that can't access Facebook, here are the remaining pics of the completed model that were posted yesterday: BTW, I absolutely love that pre-painted PE. Hopefully this stuff will be present in the SMT kit as well. John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Man, that frontal view looks good! They really did capture the right look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) I've browsed through the gallery to find Academy builds that I could compare with the FaceBook photographs. Here's one. Istvan Zoldag"s build. - the Academy nose looks a bit deeper and the top looks more rounded. Not good - the Academy spine doesn't look deep enough (look in the rear cockpit wall area). Not good. - Eduard wings look thinner perhaps ? - the angle of the cone looks bigger in the Eduard kit. Good I think. - it's not evident here but the Eduard canopy is bubble-shaped (good) while the Academy canopy is cylindrical (not good) - no PVD boom kink in the Academy kit while it's there in the Eduard Yeah the Eduard kit is more fishbedish to me. Edited February 25, 2011 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B sin Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Why not just do ALL of the Migs made after the -21 !!!Seems obvious to me that it would work. - Matt I would love to see that !!! Brad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 To the rest of you, I'm currently researching your opinions on future MiG production and will get back to you soon with some answers :) A NEW "accurate" MIG-29 Family would be greatly appreciated! ...academy's 1/48 kit is the closer... (but)SO FAR!!! A whole Flogger Family Also... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 A NEW "accurate" MIG-29 Family would be greatly appreciated! ...academy's 1/48 kit is the closer... (but)SO FAR!!!A whole Flogger Family Also... Tbh, i think that Flogger should be first in line. Why? Because although Academy kit is starting to show its age, it is still a decent kit. We don't have a decent kit of Flogger in 1/48. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedStar Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Let's just hope that the MiG-21 sells like gangbusters and then we can hope for something more beyond the three we're getting. Personally, I'm going to start out hoping that it does well enough to keep them interested in releasing the bis down the line, since it's going to require a lot of new tooling. Anything new and Soviet/Russian would be welcome. Floggers, updated Fulcrum, etc. But for now, let's just celebrate the success of the MiG-21, and hope that it does really well for them. We need 1st and 2nd gen MiG-21s as well! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolf_el_Real Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I've browsed through the gallery to find Academy builds that I could compare with the FaceBook photographs. Here's one.Istvan Zoldag"s build. - the Academy nose looks a bit deeper and the top looks more rounded. Not good - the Academy spine doesn't look deep enough (look in the rear cockpit wall area). Not good. - Eduard wings look thinner perhaps ? - the angle of the cone looks bigger in the Eduard kit. Good I think. - it's not evident here but the Eduard canopy is bubble-shaped (good) while the Academy canopy is cylindrical (not good) - no PVD boom kink in the Academy kit while it's there in the Eduard Yeah the Eduard kit is more fishbedish to me. Heres the real thing, look at the nose cone : Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Heres the real thing, look at the nose cone : Thanks. Eduard again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeskiM Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Thanks. Eduard again. +100 on that. Eduard, If you could do this for the modern day russian jets (Migs, and Sukhoi's) then you will have solidified yourselves as the best of the best. So what are you waiting for .... get to work - Matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 - the Academy spine doesn't look deep enough (look in the rear cockpit wall area). Not good. But Academy MF is more like a bis so no wonder they're totally different. Tbh, i think that Flogger should be first in line. Why?Because although Academy kit is starting to show its age, it is still a decent kit. We don't have a decent kit of Flogger in 1/48. There's still too much aftermarket needed for the Academy MiG-29 (nose, cockpit, exhausts, missiles and their pylons), some of which is not available anymore (Sol R73 missiles with pylons, e.g.). And the MiG-23 might get scaled down to 1/48 by HobbyBoss. But, let's meet halfway.. how about a MiG-25? (but I REALLY want a MiG-31) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonbryon Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I guess that Soviet-made plane fans want 1/48 1st and 2nd generation MiG-21 and MiG-23/25/27/29/31s. Perhaps you could create a voting topic ? Personally I'm wondering if you plan to downscale the MF: in 1/72, the only MFs available are the KP and Plastyk kits... And an Su-9/11 please. Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Av8fan Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I wonder if we will ever get to do the YF-110 version?? That would make an interesting conversation piece I believe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) But Academy MF is more like a bis so no wonder they're totally different. "more like" yes but the spine isn't deep enough or not humped enough and the spine imprint on the fuselage is a hybrid between MF and bis. I've found a good photograph on Hunavia "hybrid between MF and bis" ? the cylindrical canopy messes up the spine. The front part of the spine is way too wide and it give a MF look to the more-or-less bis spine Hunavia real world bis Hunavia read world MF Leonard Prakasam build... you can see there's no pinch at the rear canopy / front spine junction. Frederico Kunz build Edited February 26, 2011 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 OK, I see what you mean, the front part is too narrow and not deep enough. Hopefully the Eduard bis isn't far away.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I wonder if we will ever get to do the YF-110 version??That would make an interesting conversation piece I believe. Isn't the "YF-110 version" nothing more than a standard MiG 21F-13? If you are dying to do one, try to score the Neomega F-13 conversion on e-bay and have at it. Otherwise, give Eduard 2-3 years and see if they finally put one out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Hopefully the Eduard bis isn't far away.. I hope so but the MF and SMT (only used by USSR but it has an important "coolness factor" because of the hunchback look) need to sell well first. I'll never forget the aborted Mirage family so I'm prepared for anything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) I hope so but the MF and SMT (only used by USSR but it has an important "coolness factor" because of the hunchback look) need to sell well first. I'll never forget the aborted Mirage family so I'm prepared for anything. The SMT is tre' cool due to it's primary nuclear strike mission but with regard to your statement about it only being used by the USSR - Osprey's Middle-east MiG 19 & 21 Unit's in Combat mentions that Syria possessed "a few" SMT's for air defense duties in the early 80's. The book includes an anecdote about a section of Syrian SMT's being shot down by Israeli F-15's during the first days of the Lebanon conflict. I wouldn't mind doing a Syrian SMT just for something a bit out of the ordinary. John Edited February 26, 2011 by 11bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Osprey's Middle-east MiG 19 & 21 Unit's in Combat mentions that Syria possessed "a few" SMT's for air defense duties in the early 80's. The book includes an anecdote about a section of Syrian SMT's being shot down by Israeli F-15's during the first days of the Lebanon conflict. I wouldn't mind doing a Syrian SMT just for something a bit out of the ordinary. Are there photographs illustrating what the Osprey says ? Do they really mean SMT or rather ST (SMT with a bis spine) ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 ...with regard to your statement about it only being used by the USSR - Osprey's Middle-east MiG 19 & 21 Unit's in Combat mentions that Syria possessed "a few" SMT's for air defense duties in the early 80's. The book includes an anecdote about a section of Syrian SMT's being shot down by Israeli F-15's during the first days of the Lebanon conflict. I'd be very wary of any statement like that in an Osprey book. I've got correction lists for several Osprey titles put out by people who really know their stuff, and most of them are pages and pages long. I've never seen a photo of any SMT with anything but a red star on it, and even then, they didn't last very long in service before being converted to essentially 'bis' status. J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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