Jon Kunatz Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 That model that you see there is a 1/16 prototype... If you look into the fan you will see that there is nothing there like i did. From what ive heard this is just a study model and to have something to show on the show floor...the 1/32 kit will be different...so they say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiG31 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Jason, it has a forward opening canopy due to the F-35B model but all will have that feature ... to .. (uh hem) cut costs ... What's wrong with that? In addition it looks like it would make seat removal and installation easier since the canopy wouldn't need to be removed, necessarily. I've read other reasons, but can't think of them off-hand. Basically, if it works.... Hopefully, as stated, the model in the photo isn't the finished product. I'd hate to see such a waste of effort and material. I suppose it would look decent parked next to the Testors 1:32 YF-22. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 As someone else have said, it looks like egg plane for some reason. Not very far from the 1/1 version then, eh? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThePhantomTwo Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Anyone have 100% confirmation that the display model there was actually built from final production tooling?After reading the comment on Cybermodeler,it doesn't even sound like the metal has been even cut for the tooling. To quote from Cybermodeler: I'm told their design team just returned from Lockheed-Martin to ensure they've captured the latest engineering changes to the airframe. In addition, we'll be seeing these other kits in 2010: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 it was stated on another forum that, the models on display were balsa wood mockups scaled from the old panda kit. so lindberg would at least have something to put on the table Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JasonB Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) Anyone have 100% confirmation that the display model there was actually built from final production tooling?After reading the comment on Cybermodeler,it doesn't even sound like the metal has been even cut for the tooling.To quote from Cybermodeler: 3 posts above yours, Jon Kunatz posted that not only is the F-35 a mock up, but 1/16th scale, which would pretty much rule out it being made from ANY tooling for a 1/32 kit. Sounds like he saw it first hand, so I would go with that Edited October 27, 2009 by JasonB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 that's either a brilliant marketing strategy or a dangerous can of worms by displaying a mock-up that's obviously wrong. it could be good that it's causing so much chatter on these forums so when the actual test shots come out everyone will be pleasantly shocked how right they got it (if they do) OR it could be shooting themselves in the foot if some won't get past the poorly shown mock-up and think the final model will have the same flaws. either way, gutsy move on their part. i for one am really pulling for this company. it's about time we have a u.s. company trying to seriously compete in the serious model market again. kudos to them! Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jwest21 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Now that I look closer it does have some sort of disclaimer on it that it is a "Twice Size prototype". Its printed on the card at the bottom of the pic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fulcrum1 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 It says twice size prototype (1/16) on the 3x5 card on the table if you look at the picture. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SteveV22FE Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 What's wrong with that? In addition it looks like it would make seat removal and installation easier since the canopy wouldn't need to be removed, necessarily. I've read other reasons, but can't think of them off-hand. Basically, if it works....Hopefully, as stated, the model in the photo isn't the finished product. I'd hate to see such a waste of effort and material. I suppose it would look decent parked next to the Testors 1:32 YF-22. Well, I think my 1/32 YF-22 turned out pretty good! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiG31 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I hadn't registered the 1:16th note either. I'm glad I was wrong, then, since it means Lindberg has liberty to make the kit more accurate...which reminds me. Are there any reviews of the Pitroad 1:144 F-35B? I have the A, and while it looks accurate, I'd be interested in knowing if the same was true for the B. Also, the 1:144 Arizona sounds incredibly tempting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CraigSargent Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I've been talking directly with the VMFAT unit's PAO, who is now talking to Lindberg, to hopefully get some accurate markings and finish as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon Kunatz Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I really do hope Lindberg succeeds with these new kits. Many times Ive heard the joke that Lindberg was synonymous with Junk or toy or crap. But looking at that huge Arizona, the I-53 Japanese subs...AND a proposed German aircraft carrier(The one that was supposed to be built in WW2) I forget the name. It would be nice to have an american company making state of the art kits for a decent price. I can dream right? and as i said..The F-35 on display was a wooden mock up....looked into the lift fan bay, saw the wooden stringers and super glue joints...so I doubt thats what they are gonna pattern the 1/32 kit on. The engine did look nice...and stupid me forgot to take a picture of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dmthamade Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Wonder what else they`re thinking of releasing? Don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richter111 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I just hope and pray that they do not rush it out, and get it straight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aggressor Supporter Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Yup...something about it looks very off......can´t really put my finger on it. I agree with Janne. To me, the shaping looks very off and they still kept with the old X-35 design. Nice try by Lindberg though as I do see some potentials for a good kit. I'm hopeful this is a very early prototype and they will make corrections. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I agree with Janne. To me, the shaping looks very off and they still kept with the old X-35 design. Nice try by Lindberg though as I do see some potentials for a good kit. I'm hopeful this is a very early prototype and they will make corrections. apparently what was displayed isn't even a mock up of what they are producing but rather a scaled up balsa version of someone elses kit just so they'd have something to display. the actual model supposidly looks nothing like this. especially since this one was 1/16th scale. if they really are doing the research that's been advertised, it should be a great kit. time will tell. Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedHeadKevin Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Wonder what else they`re thinking of releasing?Don Hopefully a 1/48 version. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 apparently what was displayed isn't even a mock up of what they are producing but rather a scaled up balsa version of someone elses kit just so they'd have something to display. the actual model supposidly looks nothing like this. especially since this one was 1/16th scale. if they really are doing the research that's been advertised, it should be a great kit. time will tell. OK, so they sent a balsa prototype... but my question for them is, why is it an X-35 instead of an F-35? If you're going to go through the trouble of assembling such a kit prototype and you supposedly have the research and cooperation from LockMart, why not show an accurate prototype of what you're releasing. If Trumpeter had shown a balsa YF-17 instead of an F/A-18E, we'd all be saying, "Yeah, so what?" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 OK, so they sent a balsa prototype... but my question for them is, why is it an X-35 instead of an F-35? If you're going to go through the trouble of assembling such a kit prototype and you supposedly have the research and cooperation from LockMart, why not show an accurate prototype of what you're releasing.If Trumpeter had shown a balsa YF-17 instead of an F/A-18E, we'd all be saying, "Yeah, so what?" well, like i said earlier. it sure is getting a LOT of chatter on all of the boards, so maybe it's a good marketing strategy. it could blow up in their face, but people are talking. or maybe they are just going to screw the pooch....who knows? Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedHeadKevin Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Even if it's a crappy balsa model, there's a good chance that it's a commercially available kit, maybe even an R/C model. The real fault could be with whoever manufactured the balsa kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modelmkr Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 (edited) Well, here's my take on it. If you look at the photo carefully, especially the line of the nose to the center line of the fuselage and at the lines on the wall behind there is a distictive curve. This smacks of a photo taken with a wide angle lens which will have the effect of shortening the nose and tail and fattening the midsection. So I *think* all the flack may be over a distorted photo (?) Just my 2 cents... Edited October 28, 2009 by Modelmkr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Youngtiger1 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Well, here's my take on it. If you look at the photo carefully, especially the line of the nose to the center line of the fuselage and at the lines on the wall behind there is a distictive curve. This smacks of a photo taken with a wide angle lens which will have the effect of shortening the nose and tail and fattening the midsection. So I *think* all the flack may be over a distorted photo (?)Just my 2 cents... That can be one explanation. Wide angle lens are not good for close up photos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevan Vogler Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Well it is Lindberg we're talking about here. They are really a hit and miss, leaning heavily toward the miss, type company in my experience with their products. As for the commentary about a reasonably priced kit by an American manufacturer being produced by American hands on American soil, I highly doubt you'll see that happen. Lindberg most likely will follow suit with others and farm out the mold making to China or Korea. Having it produced in America won't make it cheaper to buy. Whatever savings are incurred by not having import costs imposed on it will be negated by higher overall labour costs. There is also, of course, distributor fees to consider if Lindberg choose not to distribute it themselves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zerosystem Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 i don't know if any of the gents on this thread build ships too but there is an interesting series of threads over on steelnavy about the arizona that appeared at the lindberg booth. after reading this thread and that one i'm going to hazard to guess that the master builder might be the same...since the issues seem to be very common between them (same builder who did the master for the 1-53 submarine and graf zeppelin) if its a sign of things to come it is a bit of a disappointment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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