PNW_Modeler Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hey guys, I have a 32nd Revell F-4E and I am considering trying a conversion project with it. What needs to be done to convert a late F-4E to a F-4S? Obviously, the nose needs updating....and a USN style cockpit....but beyond that I am not sure. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 - Refuelling probe door on the RH side of the cockpit - Different main wheels - Catapult hooks under the wing roots - Different nose gear door (with approach lights) - Different ECM antennas (varies depending on the time period) - Pitot tube on l/e of vertical fin instead of in the nose - Probably has a reinforcing plate/fairing above the main gear strut location on top of the wings That's what I can think of off the top of my head. J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Different slats Longer wing fences Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wild Weasel V Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 That's a big project you're taking on there Paul :) ! To add to Jenning's and Ben's lists: Remove any reinforcing plates from the stabilators Add the reinforcing strap on the lower fuselage Get some USN style inboard pylons (the ones with a straight edge) Rescribe the RAT doors on the LH intake trunking. The F-4E had a plain access panel in this area I'm some of the other Phantom Phans will be along to add more. Good luck - and post pictures; we'd all love to see how you get on, if you decide to go for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ReccePhreak Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Obviously, the nose needs updating. UPDATING? :) More like complete replacement. The F-4E has a gun nose, while the F-4S does not. The F-4S bears more resemblance to an F-4C/D, than it does to an F-4E, IMHO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Different slats Longer wing fences All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us? :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?:P Brought peace? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ReccePhreak Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Brought peace? Are you talking about this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?:P More than the Judean People's Front. Splitters! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimz66 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 The nose should look like a J I think. The S's were modified J's to meet the same wings as the E's. Too bad they didn't have the guns in the nose. I would love to have seen VF-111 in a S with a gun nose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fuji Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) > F-4E converted to F-4S, What needs to be done? A new kit - might I suggest the Tamiya J. The nose should look like a J I think. The S's were modified J's to meet the same wings as the E's. Too bad they didn't have the guns in the nose. I would love to have seen VF-111 in a S with a gun nose. Navy couldn't use the gun nose F-4s because the the modifications ruined the CoG and hence approach/landing characteristics for carrier work. From the tactical standpoint, I'm sure they would have loved to have the guns especially in the 1972 time frame, Edited October 29, 2009 by Fuji Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PNW_Modeler Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 A new kit - might I suggest the Tamiya J. You might....but sadly that is not an option...hence the conversion project Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fuji Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Revell also made a 1/32 F-4J, maybe mix the two. That nose is going to be a bear as the contours on the bottom part of fuselage from the area around the splinter plates forward are very different. If you were going from J/S to an E, maybe I can see that, but either way its going to be very very tough. Unless you're getting a resin cast of the forward fuselage, that may be an option. All the best, that's going to be some job! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PNW_Modeler Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 Revell also made a 1/32 F-4J, maybe mix the two. That nose is going to be a bear as the contours on the bottom part of fuselage from the area around the splinter plates forward are very different. If you were going from J/S to an E, maybe I can see that, but either way its going to be very very tough. Unless you're getting a resin cast of the forward fuselage, that may be an option. All the best, that's going to be some job! That was actually my plan on the nose. I have an old F-4J from 1973 that I had considering scribing and building up.....but I actually think that might be harder to make a nice looking model out of than converting the E to an S. Now.....this may sound kind of stupid....but I know not, so I ask....someone mentioned "Different slats, Longer wing fences". Can someone please elaborate? I love planes....but I am pretty much a moron when it comes to them. I honestly could not tell you what a wing fence was...=) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 A fence is a raised wall that stops air from flowing spanwise across the wing (you want air to flow front to back, not sideways across the wing). This is a picture of the F-4E fence (the vertical plate where the extended outboard wing starts) http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1...es/GRAYWING.jpg http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1...ages/slat_3.jpg The F-4S has a longer fence than the one shown here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
onescale Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Hello, in the Walkaround section here at ARC are very good F-4S pictures. http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1...F-4/walk150.htm Here you can see that the inner slats are more curved and longer then the leading edge of the wing. The inner slats of the F-4E/F/G are flush with the leading edge of the wing. http://www.5053phantoms.com/photos/display...=24&pos=266 http://www.5053phantoms.com/photos/display...=24&pos=264 (here you can also see the longer wing fence) http://www.5053phantoms.com/photos/display...=24&pos=280 (note the wing fence) The depth of the outboard slats is also bigger than the Air Force counterparts. Regards, Jens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Now.....this may sound kind of stupid....but I know not, so I ask....someone mentioned "Different slats, Longer wing fences". Can someone please elaborate? I love planes....but I am pretty much a moron when it comes to them. I honestly could not tell you what a wing fence was...=) Sorry, I should have posted pics. The wing fence is quite a bit longer than the Air Force version: The slats on the F-4S are more curved than the Air Force version: The inboards have a lip under the wing leading edge when they're retracted: Cheers! Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DACO Products Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I would say, start with getting a copy of my newest book, it's all about US Navy Phantoms and it includes every detail about the F-4S you would need to know (and much more). For example 12 pages about the F-4S wings, a double page for each MLG wheel well side, 16 pages about the F-4S cockpits (the F-4N and QF-4 cockpits are also given), accurate scale drawings... previews of several pages are on my website too http://ultra.glo.be/daco And they will be delivered to me from the printer in 12 hours... Danny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phoenix 54 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Hi Danny, will you be at Scale Model World in Telford U.K. in November? If so, load your vehicle with the new book, something tells me you won't take many back home! Paul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DACO Products Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 will you be at Scale Model World in Telford U.K. in November?If so, load your vehicle with the new book, something tells me you won't take many back home! Yes, I'll be there with a stand - back at my original place, with my Sidewinder missile (so it's hard to miss it...) I'll take as many as my car will allow :-) Danny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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