1:32 Jajuar

[song]

How about Mr.Song and Trumpeter gets their own forum here, Steve? There´s so much we want to ask and I bet they want to inform us and ask us in return.

If Mr.Song will attend regulary this will be the beginning of a beautiful friendship! ;)

Cheers!

yes ,i will stay here for a long time.

[song]

Hi Mr Song

I would like to thank you showing us that Jaguar project.

I must admit that converting myself a Lynx helicopter, it's hard to work even with thousends of pictures I have.

It's hard to get the shape right.

In an other hand, the drawings I used were always false or not precise enough.

If it's time to make change to the project shape, I will suggest you get the connection to people who have direct contact with the real thing and can make all measure you may need.

they are here and there modelers club installed in, or close to museums.

They are also modelers who work in military bases and can be allowed to make pictures and measurement (it's how I get some of my references).

I'm sure that ARC people can help giving contact you may need, there are specialists of every plane or helicopter here or there.

for example, on the helicopter forum, you can find an Apache specialist, a Blackhawk specialist, a Cobra specialist or connections to thoses guys who know.

I'm sure it's the same in the other forums.

For the Jaguar, could you need contact to people working in a museum? I can send you some by MP

Hope it helps to be constructive, and I must share I am realy impressed by the project.

french modelers are very interested on the french forums.

Norbert

when do we have next new helicopter in 1/35 ?..... I couldn't resist

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Ah...thank you frist..your advice very useful.

i know a forum :http://sepecat.info/ ,i have been get many more useful info form there. if you have more info please let me know.

1/35 helicopter ? what do you think about NH-90? I`m interesting in it`s navy version-- NFH.

Edited November 11, 2009 by song

[Berkut]

Berkut,thanks for your attitude...

Su-24 not yet for sell, may the somethings can be change....

Su-24 project was not only one version--Su-24M,(Fencer-D) for release . Reconnaissance variant Su-24MR ('Fencer-E'),ELINT variantSu-24MP ('Fencer-F')and early version short nose Su-24 is in the plans , they wil be come real later. so all that`s "bug" will be fit .

Thank you for being honest Song and being upfront. I am sure many people respect and like that. ;)

If you could give information to whomever who is in charge of the Su-24 project, that would be very nice. By "information" i mean the spine error in particular, although there are other issues around that kit. If you need documentation/pictures and so on, just ask here on ARC. (but maybe here if the questions/comments are about Su-24, to keep things where they belong)

I really hope Trumpeter will listen, and take those issues seriously.

Again, thanks for attending here Song.

PS: Great news that more versions are planned!

Edited November 11, 2009 by Berkut

[Finn]

I too would like to thank Song for being here and letting us know what is in the works for the Jag. My question, what weapons are planned for the Jaguar?

Jari

[Petarvu]

Berkut,thanks for your attitude...

Su-24 not yet for sell, may the somethings can be change....

Song, thank you for being here. Guys on this forum could sure help you with research!

Since Berkut kindly pointed some Su-24 issues , I would like to offer help to address some on forthcoming MiG-23 1/32.

I could connect you to some english speaking Russian guys who could help you a lot with mistakes seen on photographs. If you are interested and something can be done let me know.

Cheers,

Petar

Edited November 11, 2009 by Petarvu

[norbert]

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Ah...thank you frist..your advice very useful.

i know a forum :http://sepecat.info/ ,i have been get many more useful info form there. if you have more info please let me know.

1/35 helicopter ? what do you think about NH-90? I`m interesting in it`s navy version-- NFH.

Hi Mr. Song

The sepecat info site is great with over 2000 pictures

there are 2 Jaguars 2 hours drive from my home (A and E) and I'm trying to get contact in Chateaudun airbase, who conserves retired french airforce models. they have 5 or 6 Jaguars. I know also there are several british Jaguars in British museums

NH-90 is for me a great choice : colourfull Australian marking, Oman sand camo, hope the spanish camo will be great,+ a lot of other countries... and it will replace the Super-frelon in our navy .

It could be nice to have the first west european helicopter in this scale. I love the NH-90 too. You need tons of infos ?

But I think you will make more people happy with a Seaking, widely used, but you certainly have tons of projects.

Or a dolphin, who will make our US friends more happy.

Well, I'm going out of subject. Hope to get my answers in Chateaudun soon

Norbert

[song]

I too would like to thank Song for being here and letting us know what is in the works for the Jag. My question, what weapons are planned for the Jaguar?

Jari

well . they will be contains:

Matra-BGL-500/1000 ,

AS2M bomb ,

BAP 100 rocket,

apache ,

AS30,AS37 Missile

OBL 775 bomb

Sea Eagle Missile

Magic II

LRF1/LRF-4 pod

Atlis II Pod

pdlct-2 Pod

............and so on.

[AnthonyWan]

Hmm...you think Revell will now come out with one with corrected shape issues for 1/3 of the price?

[song]

Hmm...you think Revell will now come out with one with corrected hape issues for 1/3 of the price?

i can`t choosing the kits price !!! but i would like to present a correct thing to you .

Edited November 12, 2009 by song

[TXCajun]

I dunno about you guys, but I'm seeing a 1/32nd scale GR3 with the Jaguar Farewell scheme.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1113/685634642_7e11d05349.jpg

I've got the Model Alliance sheet(s) for the 1/48th Airfix kit, but she would be a knockout in 1/32nd!

Why oh why oh why oh why?

[song]

Hi Mr. Song

The sepecat info site is great with over 2000 pictures

there are 2 Jaguars 2 hours drive from my home (A and E) and I'm trying to get contact in Chateaudun airbase, who conserves retired french airforce models. they have 5 or 6 Jaguars. I know also there are several british Jaguars in British museums

NH-90 is for me a great choice : colourfull Australian marking, Oman sand camo, hope the spanish camo will be great,+ a lot of other countries... and it will replace the Super-frelon in our navy .

It could be nice to have the first west european helicopter in this scale. I love the NH-90 too. You need tons of infos ?

But I think you will make more people happy with a Seaking, widely used, but you certainly have tons of projects.

Or a dolphin, who will make our US friends more happy.

Well, I'm going out of subject. Hope to get my answers in Chateaudun soon

Norbert

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All of those what you list is interesting by TrumP, but some project will be come true faster and some one will late, you know i can`t sure which one .

Edited November 13, 2009 by song

[dylan]

Hmm...you think Revell will now come out with one with corrected shape issues for 1/3 of the price?

:wub:

aaaaannnnnnddd the douche of the day award goes to ANTHONY WAN

way to go rear end in a top hat!!!! we finally get to talk directly to someone at Trumpeter who can actually make a difference, and you go and throw insults in his face.

first you went and hosed up my computer last year with that rick roll crap. now this!!! i have had you on my ignore list since then and now i remember why. you are a little snivvelly child. go back to 4chan where you belong

Dylan

[dylan]

Song

thank you so much for thinking of us the modeler, and coming to us to make sure things are right the first time.

[JeskiM]

Song,

I think by posting this and taking ideas, etc from us here; you are doing a great service to your company (and the modeling world) !

This is very much appreciated by everyone here. It shows poise, confidence, and utmost customer service on a different level. I don't remeber the last time I saw customer service BEFORE I brought something.

If you/Trumpeter continue this with a lot of other kits....we may actually see the "Perfect" model kit in our lifetime.

Thank You ! and keep it up.

- Matt

[loftycomfort]

I dunno about you guys, but I'm seeing a 1/32nd scale GR3 with the Jaguar Farewell scheme.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1113/685634642_7e11d05349.jpg

I've got the Model Alliance sheet(s) for the 1/48th Airfix kit, but she would be a knockout in 1/32nd!

Why oh why oh why oh why?

I have the same Model Alliance sheet and I agree 100% - a Jag in the farewell scheme in 1/32 would be beautiful.

No matter what the scheme the kit will eventually ship with (obviously not with the French version), I will certainly buy it.

Terry

[song]

Song

thank you so much for thinking of us the modeler, and coming to us to make sure things are right the first time.

you are right.

[Tomcat Trebor]

1/48?

i have another things will make you exciting.

i will show it later. haha!

Song, its been a couple of days now. I think we would all like to know.

Robert

[Matt Roberts]

Song, its been a couple of days now. I think we would all like to know.

Robert

Come on....Song may be our own version of the goose that lays the golden eggs....by giving us insight (and more importantly a line of communication) with Trumpeter....don't scare him off!

Thanks Song for the postings this week.

Matt

[Jamie 'Haggis' Haggo]

Hello Song

First off may I say it's very encouraging to have a member of a mainstream manufacturing company get in contact with modellers. I am a big fan of Trumpeter's products, thank you for bringing us all those models.

OK, you asked about helicopters. Personally, and this is my own selfish choice, I would love for you to do a Royal Navy Lynx in 1:35. As Hobby Boss have shown in 1:72, there are many versions available. Also, there are many inaccuracies with those kits and this would be an opportunity to correct them. We as modellers always have our own pet projects we would love to see and we are all convinced that they would be great sellers.

While I'm at it, what about the Tornado F3? It's about time we had a decent kit of this aircraft.

And yes, I am biased as I have flown both of the above.

Regards

Jamie

[lancman]

I'm with Jamie on this one we need a 1/32nd Tornado F3 before the real ones disappear for good.

Graham.

[Maker]

aaaaannnnnnddd the douche of the day award goes to ANTHONY WAN

way to go rear end in a top hat!!!! we finally get to talk directly to someone at Trumpeter who can actually make a difference, and you go and throw insults in his face.

first you went and hosed up my computer last year with that rick roll crap. now this!!! i have had you on my ignore list since then and now i remember why. you are a little snivvelly child. go back to 4chan where you belong

Dylan

He was just saying out loud what a lot of us were thinking (or hoping?).

Trumpeter prices are way too high especially when so many of their previous models had big shape issues.

This is a great first step in getting the models to be more accurate assuming the actual tool cutters can cut the molds to match the prototype model and the mad-riveter doesn't step in.

Now if they could just work on lowering the prices!

Myself and many others would be happy if they stopped including engines and open panels to help cut the cost. Then there are the actual distributors to deal with (i.e. Stevens).

Thanks for sharing this Song. It is looking very nice!

[JasonB]

I think Dylans point was that Mr. Song seems to be here to get feedback about the Jaguar kit, but it seems some people see it as an opportunity to bring up everything and anything they don't like about Trumpeter in general, and various kits in particular. I would guess that Mr. Song has very little input when it comes to the overall pricing structure that Trumpter and their distributors choose to follow. I'm sure he can't go back and fix anything thats already been molded and released. If Mr. Song is who he portrays himself to be, then it would be very advantageous for everyone to keep the conversation on the matter at hand, that is, the 1/32 Jagaur kit and providing him with the best information possible. Bringing up every kit that we would like to see in every scale, complaining about their prices, or slamming them for every perceived issue that can be thought of, will ultimately support a generally held notion that trying to please "real" modelers is just a waste of time. I'm sure if Mr. Song is who he says he is, then Trump has monitired this and various boards to feel the pulse of what people are interested in, and probably realize that a number of people have not been happy with some of their past efforts. Thats why I would guess that Mr. Song has been tasked with joining ARC and trying to collect as much info from knowledgeable people as possible. Lets help him with that, and not use him as a pinata for every issue we have with Trumpeter. Theres plenty of room for that elsewhere.

Soap box back up for grabs.

Edited November 13, 2009 by JasonB

[Two Mikes]

Mister Song

Thank you for taking the time to post photos of the Jaguar project and for listening to the people here at ARC and over on Britmodeler. It is indeed a great day when we can actually speak to someone at Trumpeter about issues and concerns about a particualr model before it goes into mainstream production. Most of the modeling communities have a host of people who can and are very willing to help make Trumpeters kits, or any other manufacturers kits more accurate and desirable to the consumer. I would also think that many modelers are willing to pay more for accuracy and quality. That is surely apparant with the recent releases by a well known company in Japan who has an F-16 in 1/32 reaching the $200.00 USD mark.

I would also like to remind everyone who wants to take issue with Song for Trumpeters pricing that they are barking up the wrong tree. You need to contact the importers.

Once again, thank you for coming along and asking what we think of the Jaguar. I can see at least four of them ending up in my workshop!!

Cheers

Mike

[Maker]

I think Dylans point was that Mr. Song seems to be here to get feedback about the Jaguar kit, but it seems some people see it as an opportunity to bring up everything and anything they don't like about Trumpeter in general, and various kits in particular. I would guess that Mr. Song has very little input when it comes to the overall pricing structure that Trumpter and their distributors choose to follow. I'm sure he can't go back and fix anything thats already been molded and released. If Mr. Song is who he portrays himself to be, then it would be very advantageous for everyone to keep the conversation on the matter at hand, that is, the 1/32 Jagaur kit and providing him with the best information possible. Bringing up every kit that we would like to see in every scale, complaining about their prices, or slamming them for every perceived issue that can be thought of, will ultimately support a generally held notion that trying to please "real" modelers is just a waste of time. I'm sure if Mr. Song is who he says he is, then Trump has monitired this and various boards to feel the pulse of what people are interested in, and probably realize that a number of people have not been happy with some of their past efforts. Thats why I would guess that Mr. Song has been tasked with joining ARC and trying to collect as much info from knowledgeable people as possible. Lets help him with that, and not use him as a pinata for every issue we have with Trumpeter. Theres plenty of room for that elsewhere.

Soap box back up for grabs.

I understand that he is here for feedback about the Jaguar and that is a good thing.

He has gotten some good feedback about minor corrections and says he will see to it that they get fixed and that is a good thing.

Trumpeter may well have their ear to the forums but in this thread we know that they do so bringing up some general thoughts about what we have had problems with and what we would like to see in the future seems appropriate to me, my issues being:

1. general shape problems - this kit is looking good so far but I worry about what the tool cutter will end up doing

2. overdone riveting - again I worry what happens after it leaves Song's hands

3. unnecessary extra detail - it looks too late for that. I personally like to build with panels and engines closed which I've heard the same from many modelers here.

"I would also like to remind everyone who wants to take issue with Song for Trumpeters pricing that they are barking up the wrong tree. You need to contact the importers."

1! COST! - many of us have talked directly with Stevens International and it doesn't seem to do any good.

Trumpeter should hear this loud and clear, again and again until they spank the importers or find different importers!

[Huey Gunner]

Once again, thank you for coming along and asking what we think of the Jaguar. I can see at least four of them ending up in my workshop!!

Cheers

Mike

After reading this thread and seeing the photo's I can see one in my stash also. And I don't even like the damn plane!!