Miccara Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 For the first time ever, I tried Mr. Surfacer (I know, I know, how did I do without it all these years?). It was the 1200 version. If I told you that - when I sprayed Mr. Surfacer today (at about 12lbs), it behaved like I was a movie special effects guy and was creating a scene for a horror picture, where the room required cobwebs everywhere, would you know what I'm talking about? I mean it was a cobweb spinning free-for-all. Too much air pressure? Anyone else experience this? Larry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
singeri Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Larry - did you thin out the 1200 stuff? I think I have run it thru my paache single action a/b, and I thinned it with lacquer thinner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ole Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 That's the problem... no thinning. You have to thin this stuff and lower your air pressure. Same thing with Gunze paints. No thinning = cobwebs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miccara Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 No thinner. Tried it straight from the bottle. I don't have any lacquer thinner. Paint thinner didn't work, alcohol didn't work, acrylic thinner didn't work, acryilic cleaner didn't work, nail polish remover didn't work. I see a trip tp the hardware store coming... Thanks guys. Thought i was seeing things for awhile there! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bad edd Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I use Nitro to thin Mr.Surfacer. Works like a charm! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miccara Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 Crap, i have to ask... What's Nitro? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TXCajun Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Larry, Everyone is wrong. You are now Spiderman. Don't deny the gift you have been given. Spinning webs can be useful and helps when swinging from buildings. Go forth and do good for humanity! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markiii Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Yeah, you have to thin that stuff down pretty well, experiment first with ratios. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Janissary Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Do you think I can use regular lacquer thinner to thin 1200? I have a Klean-Strip brand lacquer thinner I got from Home Depot. Will that work? I see people tend to use Gunze's levelling thinner (which I have no access to) so I shyed away from 1200. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huey Gunner Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Do you think I can use regular lacquer thinner to thin 1200? I have a Klean-Strip brand lacquer thinner I got from Home Depot. Will that work? I see people tend to use Gunze's levelling thinner (which I have no access to) so I shyed away from 1200.Regular lacquer thinner will do just fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gharlane Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 do a 50/50 ratio for the Mr. Surfacer to Lacquer thinner, play with the air pressure and it should come out fine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miccara Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 Larry,Everyone is wrong. You are now Spiderman. Don't deny the gift you have been given. Spinning webs can be useful and helps when swinging from buildings. Go forth and do good for humanity! Ahhh! It all makes sense now! My growing interest in flies, my silk undies... my recurring nightmare of a giant shoe stepping on me... I'll change my screen name to Arachnidman. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brutus Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Trying using Surfacer 1000, it gives better results in a way. Thinning is a must and with lacquer thinner is the only way..50:50 ratio and if it stills spins webs...pour the mixture back into the jar and try again. For initial, spray at the edge of a newspaper or something, it will show the mixture is good or not...or its "Welcome Spidey!!!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taylorde Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I love Mr Surfacer 1200, and Mr base white too. I use Mr leveling thinner, and you might want to order some Mr Retarder too, as even thinned Mr Surfacer can create cobwebs that the Mr. Retarder calms down. DaveT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Kev Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 OK, having been around the block a time or two with Mr Surfacer, I'll give you the lowdown. Firstly, if you're using the stuff out of the jar, it has to be thinned. Secondly, only lacquer-based thinners are really effective with it. However, there's a caveat. Hardware store-grade lacquer thinners are not created equal. It's very important to understand this, or you could end up cursing every second piece of advice you get about thinning Mr Surfacer. Some guys swear by their local generic lacquer thinner as being perfect for the job, but these products are not all the same. The stuff I have access to only stops the spider-webbing when the thinning ratio reaches about 5:1. By then it's too thin to be useful for anything except runs and splatters. My world changed instantly when I tried using Gunze's own thinners (in my case, Mr Color Thinner). I can now thin at around 50/50 quite happily, though a little more is better. You can use the standard thinner or the Levelling thinner - it doesn't really matter. If your pressure is too high or your mix too thin, you'll get billowing clouds of noxious vapour instead of spider-webbing, but it'll still go on fine. A final note. For priming large areas (like a completed airframe for example), the stuff goes on gloriously straight out of the rattle can, thereby saving you the hassle of airbrushing it. It absolutely must be done outside though! Kev Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gotarheelz14 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Rattle can my man, I am a recent convert. Try Gunze or even Tamiya. I have the Tamiya Fine Surface Primer and it is awesome. I am sure the gunze is just as good but the key here is....RATTLECAN! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBlue96 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I'm the same as Big_Kev. If I'm doing a large area I will use the rattle can because it's super easy. For smaller parts like subassemblies, airbrushing gives better control. I think all the advice you've gotten here already about thinning is going to help you out a lot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huey Gunner Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Just what I do with the rattle can Tamiya. I do the old heat it up in a pot of hot water routine. Great results for me. Don't lose one ioda of detail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miccara Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 I love Mr Surfacer 1200, and Mr base white too. I use Mr leveling thinner, and you might want to order some Mr Retarder too, as even thinned Mr Surfacer can create cobwebs that the Mr. Retarder calms down.DaveT I have acrylic retarder. Will that work on its own? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miccara Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 OK, having been around the block a time or two with Mr Surfacer, I'll give you the lowdown.Firstly, if you're using the stuff out of the jar, it has to be thinned. Secondly, only lacquer-based thinners are really effective with it. However, there's a caveat. Hardware store-grade lacquer thinners are not created equal. It's very important to understand this, or you could end up cursing every second piece of advice you get about thinning Mr Surfacer. Some guys swear by their local generic lacquer thinner as being perfect for the job, but these products are not all the same. The stuff I have access to only stops the spider-webbing when the thinning ratio reaches about 5:1. By then it's too thin to be useful for anything except runs and splatters. My world changed instantly when I tried using Gunze's own thinners (in my case, Mr Color Thinner). I can now thin at around 50/50 quite happily, though a little more is better. You can use the standard thinner or the Levelling thinner - it doesn't really matter. If your pressure is too high or your mix too thin, you'll get billowing clouds of noxious vapour instead of spider-webbing, but it'll still go on fine. A final note. For priming large areas (like a completed airframe for example), the stuff goes on gloriously straight out of the rattle can, thereby saving you the hassle of airbrushing it. It absolutely must be done outside though! Kev Thanks Kev. I'll give it a try. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miccara Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 Rattle can my man, I am a recent convert. Try Gunze or even Tamiya. I have the Tamiya Fine Surface Primer and it is awesome. I am sure the gunze is just as good but the key here is....RATTLECAN! i think I'm getting the message here. I'll put the rattle can on the shopping list! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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