Mackie Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Are F9F's Gloss Dark Sea Blue a.k.a. Federal Standard 15042 a.k.a Non-Specular Sea Blue (35042 + Gloss coat)? -thanx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geedog Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Gloss Dark Sea Blue, FS 15042. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mackie Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 Gloss Dark Sea Blue, FS 15042. Cool, thanx. -- OK, then, what would I use Navy Blue 5-N on? Or is that just a ship color? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modelmkr Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Cool, thanx.-- OK, then, what would I use Navy Blue 5-N on? Or is that just a ship color? 5-N is an upper deck ship colour. Also don't use 35042 with a clear gloss top coat. The shade of blue is different between 35042 (blue with green hue) and 15042 (more blue)... don't ask me why, it just is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mackie Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 5-N is an upper deck ship colour. Also don't use 35042 with a clear gloss top coat. The shade of blue is different between 35042 (blue with green hue) and 15042 (more blue)... don't ask me why, it just is. Well doesn't that just bust yer nuggit?! I hate using gloss paint and was going to do just that^. Well, Model Master it is then... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modelmkr Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Well doesn't that just bust yer nuggit?!I hate using gloss paint and was going to do just that^. Well, Model Master it is then... Assuming you're airbrushing, use several light coats rather than trying to get the colour down in one pass, that should improve the look and make you like gloss paints more :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mackie Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 Assuming you're airbrushing, use several light coats rather than trying to get the colour down in one pass, that should improve the look and make you like gloss paints more Yeah, MM Gloss Insignia White kinda gave me shell-shock. Does Tamiya make an equivalent color for the Panther? I can deal with their gloss colors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J.C. Bahr Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Also don't use 35042 with a clear gloss top coat. The shade of blue is different between 35042 (blue with green hue) and 15042 (more blue)... don't ask me why, it just is. You're discussing the same color. In the FS standard, the first number (1,2 or 3) denotes gloss, semi-flat and flat. The rest of the numbers start breaking down the specific color sections (blues, grays, browns, etc.) and hues and such... but in this instance 5042 is the same number. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom ordie Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Laquers were the name of the game back then and after a cruise that dark sea blue was faded. I used Tamiya flat sea blue then a very thin coat of Future. Not real glossy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Hegedus Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 You're discussing the same color. In the FS standard, the first number (1,2 or 3) denotes gloss, semi-flat and flat. The rest of the numbers start breaking down the specific color sections (blues, grays, browns, etc.) and hues and such... but in this instance 5042 is the same number. Technically, yes. But he's right; GSB/Dark Sea Blue and NS Sea Blue, while having the same last 4 of the FS code, are not the same in color. NSSB does appear greener than GSB. Break If using MM Dark Sea Blue, thin it with lacquer thinner. It will lay down VERY nicely, and dry much quicker too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modelmkr Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 You're discussing the same color. In the FS standard, the first number (1,2 or 3) denotes gloss, semi-flat and flat. The rest of the numbers start breaking down the specific color sections (blues, grays, browns, etc.) and hues and such... but in this instance 5042 is the same number. Thanks, I'm very aware of the FS595B colour system. This is a peculiar oddity with this colour in gloss or flat in that the hue is actually slightly different. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J.C. Bahr Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 But he's right; GSB/Dark Sea Blue and NS Sea Blue, while having the same last 4 of the FS code, are not the same in color. NSSB does appear greener than GSB. This is a peculiar oddity with this colour in gloss or flat in that the hue is actually slightly different. Can you two post up anymore research about this from anywhere? Joe, when you mention "greener" the only thing that comes to mind is Tamiya's version which has never really looked right to my eye, just for that reason. I've never noticed any difference in the Model Master acrylics between the flat and gloss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modelmkr Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Can you two post up anymore research about this from anywhere?Joe, when you mention "greener" the only thing that comes to mind is Tamiya's version which has never really looked right to my eye, just for that reason. I've never noticed any difference in the Model Master acrylics between the flat and gloss. No real research. Just to my eye and many others, the two colours (and in Testors MM enamels, to boot) show this hue difference. I suppose some people don't notice it, or possibly some paint batches don't show this, but it's a discrepancy I've always noticed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J.C. Bahr Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 or possibly some paint batches don't show this, I saw a project several years ago where the Doolittle raid aircraft were being replicated and the Monogram snap kit was being used. Different people built the kits, but bottles of Model Master enamel Olive Drab were standardized on and no two of them looked alike! So go figure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spruemeister Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Then its a MM quality issue and not an FS issue. My three color chips next to each other on the same 595 page are identical in shade and color with only the reflectance being different. As it should be. I realize that doesn't guarantee that paint manufacturers will get it right, but the Standard is that all three numbers are the same paint. Choose and mix according to your own tastes. Rick L. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Also take into account that FS595 fan decks are specifically *not* to be used for color matching. They are for general reference only. Any official match to an FS shade is required to be done using the 3x5" color cards that are available (for a really big price). And if either of them is stored improperly, or has years of finger oils on it, the color isn't going to be what the official standard says it is. J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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