Raymond Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 nice PS job Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loftycomfort Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Personally, I'd absolutely love a 1/32 copy of the prototype. It would look awesome in those colors sitting right next to a YF-23 (and a YF-22 as well (even though it's butt-ugly)).More pictures please! Chris, if you make one, they will come. Well at least I will. :-) Terry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBlue96 Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Just some data because it was mentioned earlier in the thread: YF-22 prototype #1 first flight: 29 Sept, 1990 F-22 a/c 4001 (first production aircraft) first flight: 7 Sept, 1997 That's 22 days short of seven years, which is very comparable to the times being turned in by the Russian OKBs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stratospheremodels Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 (edited) nice PS job The LERX looks like they are mobile.. And there are interesting fairings on the outboard side of each inlet, under the wings, that makes me think they are used to divert radar reflexions away from the inlet from some angles to possibly improve some more the stealth characteristics of the inlets (that or to better hide the weapon bay doors when they are open (seems like a smart idea to me if its that). Waco, care to comment to enlighten us a little on what those two characteristics might be used for ? I am curious. Stephane. Stratosphere Models. Edited February 4, 2010 by Stratospheremodels Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Waco, care to comment to enlighten us a little on what those two characteristics might be used for ? I am eminently unqualified to discuss the engineering particulars of the PAK-FA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stratospheremodels Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 And of course, we need one of the model kit companies to rush a semi-speculative kit of the demonstrator into production, only to be punished fiercely when the more prudent firms wait until they have close access to the production model. Depends how good your contacts are. And how close to the airport and runaway access. I am not talking... :D Stephane. Stratosphere Models. Website: Picturetrail.com/stratospheremodels Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Av8fan Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Stephane, I still like the looks of the bird with the burred intakes better.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stratospheremodels Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 (edited) The reason I expect to eventually see a taller tail is IF they plan on flying it at higher angles of attack. As the angle of attack increases, the airflow will separate from the wing and move further away from the later control surfaces--in this case, the all-moving tailplanes. In this case, it wouldn't have to go very high before there would be no effective control surfaces for maintaining lateral stability. The moveable LERXs and assymetric thrust vectoring will probably be able to have SOME measure of compensation....but not enough to completely eliminate a need for taller tails.They may opt NOT to do that, particularly if they're focusing more on the high speed, high end interceptor role. In that case, the all-moving tailplanes will certainly provide a measure of effectiveness at supersonic speeds (its one reason we moved to all moving horizontal stabs from hinged elevators). I find the LERXs to be the most interesting part of the design, although I'm becoming more convinced that they are like blended forward canards. Hey, i just saw your earlier comment Waco, very interesting ! So, 'emminently unqualified' uh.. ? You are too modest. Stephane Stratosphere Models Picturetrail.com/stratospheremodels Edited February 4, 2010 by Stratospheremodels Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J.C. Bahr Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Gee, someone just had to come and start ruining this otherwise civil thread. I'm serious. Looking at its shape, it's not like any one aircraft I've seen. It's no F-22, if that's what you're implying. Don't get me wrong guys I like it... it's cool looking and nice to see something new... but any of you that don't see the strong Raptor resemblance (especially from the top) need your vision checked! If any of these and the Raptors were ever to get in close enough for a furball, I guarantee there would be visual IFF problems between both sides! I know (I hope) you are only joking...but...That word does not follow the rules for ASIG (not NATO) reporting names...... It should start with the letter F It should have only TWO syllables. It should not be confused with any other reporting name. It fails on rule 2... Ken (who's in a pedantic mood right now) Yes, it was all in jest Ken ... but thanks for the short tutorial on the ASIG. Very interesting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiG31 Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Don't get me wrong guys I like it... it's cool looking and nice to see something new... but any of you that don't see the strong Raptor resemblance (especially from the top) need your vision checked! My vision is fine. From a distance, and at certain angles I can see your point, but it is a distinct aircraft. I guess I'm weary from constant "Russian aircraft = copies of American planes" remarks. As far as I know there hasn't been a major Russian aircraft that was copied from an American design since Stalin ordered his engineers to duplicate the B-29. If any of these and the Raptors were ever to get in close enough for a furball, I guarantee there would be visual IFF problems between both sides! Let's hope the Russians don't paint the PAK FA in F-22-like markings. Besides, it's a bit drab. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) Besides, it's a bit drab. Without a doubt this is one of the top five reasons why the F-22 is marginalized so much around here. Edited February 5, 2010 by Trigger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fuji Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Without a doubt this is one of the top five reasons why the F-22 is marginalized so much around here. Hey, how can it not be? Its meat on the table for the Super Tweet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Hey, how can it not be? Its meat on the table for the Super Tweet There was one attempt at a Super Tweet. Contrary to rumors, it didn't crash. It's awesomeness was too great for our dimension's laws of physics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I know (I hope) you are only joking...but...That word does not follow the rules for ASIG (not NATO) reporting names...... It should start with the letter F It should have only TWO syllables. It should not be confused with any other reporting name. It fails on rule 2. Ken (who's in a pedantic mood right now) Foible ? Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I vote Fracker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fuji Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I vote Fracker. Frellin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiG31 Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Was ferret ever used as a reporting name, aside from an old Testors/Italeri kit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne S Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Farlow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnthonyWan Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Fckinawsm. :) ...Back to my econ homework. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Michael Bay Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I guess I'm weary from constant "Russian aircraft = copies of American planes" remarks. THEN TELL THEM TO STOP COPYING OUR PLANES!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobrahistorian Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 "Flummox?" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Finkle. LACES OUT! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Flapjack? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkW Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Fapper? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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