Shark Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 Why AWESOME!!!!!!!!! not? yeap. this one is a No. That Flanker is gorgeous! Shark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiG31 Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 yeap. this one is a No. You mean that "Raptor 01" is not a prototype F-22A? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Cartwright Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 You mean that "Raptor 01" is not a prototype F-22A? I don't believe that it is. Here's a YF-22, which I'd say is closer to the prototype. I think Raptor01 was more of a production model. http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/L...0020e201e3e2a69 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiG31 Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 I don't believe that it is. Here's a YF-22, which I'd say is closer to the prototype. I think Raptor01 was more of a production model. It's still representative of an aircraft built for development purposes. Either way, your original assertion about prototype painting is undercut. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Cartwright Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 It's still representative of an aircraft built for development purposes. Either way, your original assertion about prototype painting is undercut. Just for the record, I wasn't making any assertions - that post was my first in this thread Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 I don't believe that it is. Here's a YF-22, which I'd say is closer to the prototype. I think Raptor01 was more of a production model. It's still representative of an aircraft built for development purposes. Either way, your original assertion about prototype painting is undercut. Raptor01 was a PRTV - Production Representative Test Vehicle. There were several of these, followed by a few EMDAV - Engineering and Manufacturing Development Air Vehicle - birds, followed by the production aircraft runs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnthonyWan Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 It'd be really cool if that white patch was a giant snowflake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiG31 Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 (edited) Raptor01 was a PRTV - Production Representative Test Vehicle. There were several of these, followed by a few EMDAV - Engineering and Manufacturing Development Air Vehicle - birds, followed by the production aircraft runs. A production prototype, in other words, whereas the YF-22 was a pre-production prototype. Sorry about the confusion, Ken. The point remains, though, that prototype aircraft are not always left unpainted. Edited March 20, 2010 by MiG31 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 did anybody notice how appropriate this camouflage is? look how the light-gray patch on the back, looks like the snow shape on the background. great coincidence... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Although interesting, I was hoping for something a little more 'jazzy' with Sukhoi's past prototype schemes on Su-30, Su-35 and Su-37... YF-22 was actually a Concept Demonstrator ... Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Although interesting, I was hoping for something a little more 'jazzy' with Sukhoi's past prototype schemes on Su-30, Su-35 and Su-37...Gregg i agree with you (i rather like the tropical camo on su35bm than the gray patched one...) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiG31 Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 I could go either way on the camo, really. I think that, given the PAK FA's line of operations, the gray scheme suits it better, but the tropical colors would look quite sharp. Maybe a fractal camo would look good? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shark Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Very interesting, and yes i did think that the 01 was a production Raptor rather than a prototype. Thank you for the clarification. Since Flanker have been painted in a myriad of colors, then i thought the Pak Fa would too. But i can see why it should not. Shark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deino Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 (edited) Via Secret-Project Forum (mrdetonator): original picturehttp://paralay.iboards.ru/download/file.ph...1&mode=view tweaked picture http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php...3&mode=view Edited March 21, 2010 by Deino Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Guess that answers the intake ducts question... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Guess that answers the intake ducts question... Pretty much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Guess that answers the intake ducts question... Well, almost. What we are seeing is not engine blades. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 (edited) Well, almost.What we are seeing is not engine blades. ok i give up what is that compressor looking think at the back of the intake then? right there behind the igv yep those are compressor blades Edited March 21, 2010 by dylan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 117 is longer than I thought then. I thought they were some sort of blockers but I checked couple of AL-31 pictures and it is about 5meters so.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonathan_Lotton Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Well, almost.What we are seeing is not engine blades. Yes, they are. Def. an engine face..big beautiful radar reflectors! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C-130CrewChief Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) They are stators or inlet guide vanes. Whatever floats your boat or flies your plane, but they are part of the compressor. diagram Curt After looking again... They may be the first stage of the compressor section. Edited March 22, 2010 by C-130CrewChief Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Could that be something similar to the Super Hornet's intake set up ... Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 There´s something fishy about that pic of the intake.... first of all the intake duct seems very shallow. Like Gregg suggested, it might be a similar thing as the Super Bug intake. http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/8524420b3c.jpg And the pic is taken at such an angle that you look straight into the duct, I don´t think that much would show on a pic taken directly in front of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ross blackford Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) :D, Those may be big beautiful radar reflectors at the moment in the prototype. What's to say the inlet configuration and even the engines will be exactly the same on the production jets? Exactly. Nothing. Aigor, I agree with you about the depth of the intakes and I'd add the length of them as well. What's to say it hasn't been photoshopped? Again. Nothing. As Deino said, the picture has been tweaked, in what way, why and by whom we don't really know unless the tweaking was done by Deino himself. , Ross. Edited March 22, 2010 by ross blackford Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 the turbine blades and stators are obviously taking the most attention on this pic but has anyone else noticed the reflections on the aircraft skin - looks like the aircraft would be silver (despite being painted in camo and it doesn't seem to be gloss finish). As for the engine goes - only time will tell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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