Dr Pepper 1/72 F-15E update?

[modelman11]

Was wondering if anyone had any news on the dr pepper F-15E update set? Hopefully soon. Also whats included? It says for the academy/hasegawa kits. Id assume the missing CFT pylon and also the CFT intakes? What else? Would be nice to have an ENTIRE SET of the CFT pylons from dr pepper and not just the missing one. Anyway, any info is appreciated. I think ill need two or three of these!!!

[thegoodsgt]

I'd recommend asking the good doctor himself. Here's his email, which I found on his web site.

drpepperresins@gmail.com

[doctorpepper]

and i'll reply directly here.

so far, my biggest problem is getting the most updated kit.

i have a few of the hasegawa ones without engraved panel lines, and also one or two of the f-15dj kits (which are bleddy expensive..)

however, have not been able to find the latest f-15e "OIF" kit so that i know what's inside...

i'm afraid without that, i can't move much. unless someone who has both kits can tell me what's inside?

[modelman11]

and i'll reply directly here.

so far, my biggest problem is getting the most updated kit.

i have a few of the hasegawa ones without engraved panel lines, and also one or two of the f-15dj kits (which are bleddy expensive..)

however, have not been able to find the latest f-15e "OIF" kit so that i know what's inside...

i'm afraid without that, i can't move much. unless someone who has both kits can tell me what's inside?

I highly doubt anything has changed since the F-15E kit came out. Hasegawa doesnt do anything other than decals for different time periods and what not.

[Murph]

...have not been able to find the latest f-15e "OIF" kit so that i know what's inside...

i'm afraid without that, i can't move much. unless someone who has both kits can tell me what's inside?

New decals; the plastic is the same (a D model with CFTs).

Regards,

Murph

[modelman11]

Yep just as I had suspected. It is the exact same kit just new decals. Also, I noticed that the hasegawa kits dont have any CFT pylons.....does this mean well get an entire set!!!!

Take a look here: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10054466

look at the pictures further down and you can expand them. Exatcly the same as the original kit.

So what has the good doctor planned at least?

[doctorpepper]

the kit i have is raised panel lines, the newer kits have the engraved panel lines. i haven't been able to find a F-15e kit with the engraved panel lines as yet.. are the parts exactly the same, less the panel lines?

[Hoops]

Doc,

The two F-15E kits are completely different, neither of which being correct for a strike eagle. I honestly don't know if the CFTs from the old kit would fit on the new one though, I tossed my old tool kit years and years ago.

I've got one of the new tool F-15Es here (two more in deep freeze storage on another continent too). Gimme some time and I'll talk a look at it. I've got an two kits that are about 80% complete that I need to finish up here soon!

-Hoops

[Andre]

i haven't been able to find a F-15e kit with the engraved panel lines as yet..

Depending on your location, a few years ago RoG repopped the new tool Hasegawa F-15E in their own boxing as well.

Cheers,

Andre

[Wayne S]

the kit i have is raised panel lines, the newer kits have the engraved panel lines. i haven't been able to find a F-15e kit with the engraved panel lines as yet.. are the parts exactly the same, less the panel lines?

"Hasegawa"

E kit is the same as the new D kit, with the C/D CFTs and thier Pylons. Only extras really pertaining to the E model is instrument panels and wheels.Edit: and the under belly pods.

If the f-15dj kits have engraved lines and "if it has CFTs", it should be the same kit as the E kit.

Wish I did not start my B/D model now, I would of sent you the kit to work from.

Edited January 4, 2010 by Wayne S

[Wayne S]

Anyone notice a part I left out that is F-15E specific?

H tree X2

[Wayne S]

I would mention, If your not doing the Interior.

Doing new CFTs and all E specific pylons along with the bumps for the gear doors and stingers on the tails. Is most likely what people would like to see.

The CFTs are not the correct shape anyway.

Edited January 4, 2010 by Wayne S

[doctorpepper]

wayne, thanks. me and hoops will take a good look at it and try to come up with something that makes economical sense

[nightmare77]

Yeah Id include these components at least"

6 small cft pylons (the six small side pylons)

2 long cft pylons (the two main ones)

2 cft air scoops (cft sides)

1 gun port (belly of the aircraft)

also, maybe some gbu-38's...................

[Hoops]

GBU-38s are already offered by DrPepper.

On the CFT theme, the Hasegawa kit items are more representative of the CFTs fixed to normal (non strike) eagles. They really need to have a shape update for to represent the F-15E. This would be the first big hurdle for the project, pain in the butt already, and I haven't even started it yet.

The pylons are a given, and it would probably make the most sense to have them already attached to the CFTs for casting. The question is, new style stub pylon or old? I guess you could do the old, and say that if you wanted to modify them its a lot easier to remove material than to add it, or say go with a modular front for the forward most stub pylon, and allow the modeler to attach whichever they want. More of a pain in the butt for me to master, and would probably increase costs as well.

The aux air intakes for one the CFT sides are only for the -229 powered birds. Include it as a separate piece to be added to the CFTs only if appropriate, fitting over the aux intake hole for the -220?

Gun clip fairing also a good idea to include.

Also include modified tail stings? The ones in the Hasegawa kit are representative of the early strike eagles, with the cylindrical antennas. The current models have a boxier antenna. Do we need the new antennas too (again, increases the cost as well)?

The pylons themselves are going to take a lot of work to master, being so detailed with so many different parts. Can be done, but it will take a ton of work, and intimidating to get it right.

That's probably why there hasn't been a realistic solution to the problem until now. The Isradecal "I" conversion was pretty awful, and stupid expensive. The AIMS set was very very basic, and didn't address the difference in CFT shape. Wolfpack-D has had one on the "future releases" list for a couple of years now, but with no apparent movement on the project (probably for the same reasons I listed above).

We'll see, I only get so much free time between family and work, and I'm not sure I want to sink 6 months into mastering some CFTs.

Thinking about it...

[Hoops]

Another thought, the LANTIRNs included in the kit are pretty bad, but there are good ones available from the Hasegawa weapons sets. Bother with it or not?

[doctorpepper]

i was going to take the CFT pylons, long and short, from the academy kit, adapt them to the Hasegawa CFTs. the aux air intakes come from the airfix kit.

but now that i've just found out the CFTs have shape issues.. well.. that's gonna need a lot of work!

i would do the tail stings as well as different versions (E, I, SG, K) have different tail stings. that way, there's potential to cover more ground

[Najk]

I would say skip the LANTIRNs, Hoops. Like you said, those can be taken from the Hasegawa weapons set,

or if one wants, keep the kit offerings.

[Murph]

GBU-38s are already offered by DrPepper.

On the CFT theme, the Hasegawa kit items are more representative of the CFTs fixed to normal (non strike) eagles. They really need to have a shape update for to represent the F-15E. This would be the first big hurdle for the project, pain in the butt already, and I haven't even started it yet.

The pylons are a given, and it would probably make the most sense to have them already attached to the CFTs for casting. The question is, new style stub pylon or old? I guess you could do the old, and say that if you wanted to modify them its a lot easier to remove material than to add it, or say go with a modular front for the forward most stub pylon, and allow the modeler to attach whichever they want. More of a pain in the butt for me to master, and would probably increase costs as well.

The aux air intakes for one the CFT sides are only for the -229 powered birds. Include it as a separate piece to be added to the CFTs only if appropriate, fitting over the aux intake hole for the -220?

Gun clip fairing also a good idea to include.

Also include modified tail stings? The ones in the Hasegawa kit are representative of the early strike eagles, with the cylindrical antennas. The current models have a boxier antenna. Do we need the new antennas too (again, increases the cost as well)?

The pylons themselves are going to take a lot of work to master, being so detailed with so many different parts. Can be done, but it will take a ton of work, and intimidating to get it right.

That's probably why there hasn't been a realistic solution to the problem until now. The Isradecal "I" conversion was pretty awful, and stupid expensive. The AIMS set was very very basic, and didn't address the difference in CFT shape. Wolfpack-D has had one on the "future releases" list for a couple of years now, but with no apparent movement on the project (probably for the same reasons I listed above).

We'll see, I only get so much free time between family and work, and I'm not sure I want to sink 6 months into mastering some CFTs.

Thinking about it...

The bulged main gear doors are a biggie too. Frankly I think the concern about the CFTs is a bit overwrought; till Wayne S pointed them out, how many people were aware of the difference? How many people, even being aware, would see the difference in 1/72 scale? Even if the CFTs were perfect, you would still not have an accurate Strike Eagle, because there are panel line differences and noticable differences in the vents on the fuselage topside above the JFS compartment on the F-15E versus the F-15D (which available kits are based on). My vote would be do the pylons, gear doors, gun clip fairing, various tail boom configurations, optional 229 intakes, and the F-15SG EW fairings (in front of the intakes) as long as you're doing optional tail booms.

Regards,

Murph

[Vliegenier]

I agree with the "minimal" approach as proposed by Murph . It covers the most visible parts .

I also guess not that many people who will have a look at our finished kit will know what's 100% correct and what isn't .

Stef

[Wayne S]

The bulged main gear doors are a biggie too. Frankly I think the concern about the CFTs is a bit overwrought; till Wayne S pointed them out, how many people were aware of the difference? How many people, even being aware, would see the difference in 1/72 scale? Even if the CFTs were perfect, you would still not have an accurate Strike Eagle, because there are panel line differences and noticable differences in the vents on the fuselage topside above the JFS compartment on the F-15E versus the F-15D (which available kits are based on). My vote would be do the pylons, gear doors, gun clip fairing, various tail boom configurations, optional 229 intakes, and the F-15SG EW fairings (in front of the intakes) as long as you're doing optional tail booms.

Regards,

Murph

I was thinking more in the lines of making sure there was room for the bombs.

[nightmare77]

DOH!!!!!! I meant to say GBU-39's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a good thread. You might want to make seprate intake/engines and tail stuff for the F-15SG/K and what not to keep costs down. All that extra stuff that wont be used but will cost alot for those just doing an F-15E....

[ChernayaAkula]

Whatever you decide, I hope you'll do an F-15E set. Definitely needed!

Who knows when Wolfpack will release their set? It's been announced for years. And while Revell may look into downscaling their Mudhen (according to a Revell representative I talked to at a model show), it'll probably be some time till they get round to it.

Edited January 6, 2010 by ChernayaAkula

[Hoops]

The bulged main gear doors are a biggie too. Frankly I think the concern about the CFTs is a bit overwrought; till Wayne S pointed them out, how many people were aware of the difference? How many people, even being aware, would see the difference in 1/72 scale? Even if the CFTs were perfect, you would still not have an accurate Strike Eagle, because there are panel line differences and noticable differences in the vents on the fuselage topside above the JFS compartment on the F-15E versus the F-15D (which available kits are based on). My vote would be do the pylons, gear doors, gun clip fairing, various tail boom configurations, optional 229 intakes, and the F-15SG EW fairings (in front of the intakes) as long as you're doing optional tail booms.

Regards,

Murph

Bulged gear doors! you are very very right, I can't believe I didn't think about it last night. I was even looking at photos of the undersides looking at the CFTs, staring right at the bulged doors. So it goes sometimes.

There are so many other things that need to be updated and changed for an F-15E, it might be worthwhile to do up a .pdf or something like to go along with the resin to say, "these parts solve the problems X and Y, but to really do it up right, the following can also be addressed..."

For example, the tail hook and lack of fairing, the aforementioned vents on the upper fuselage, the buckets on the lower fuselage, the different glare shield shape, fill the panel line on the nose cone, etc etc etc.

[Hoops]

I was thinking more in the lines of making sure there was room for the bombs.

I think with the fatter CFTs, it pushes the long pylon further out, but doesn't really change the distance between the Long pylon an the sub pylons. Honestly, that is just my impression from looking at pictures though, so I could be wrong. I am really not a big fan of the shape of the Hasegawa CFTs where they meet the forward fuselage, but an evening with a sanding stick can fix that, I know because i did it last night!

Whatever you decide, I hope you'll do an F-15E set. Definitely needed!

Who knows when Wolfpack will release their set? It's been announced for years. And while Revell may look into downscaling their Mudhen (according to a Revell representative I talked to at a model show), it'll probably be some time till they get round to it.

Definitely needed by me too, I need two sets! And the F-15E update has always been at the bottom of the Wolfpack-d list, like its always the last priority. I think that it will probably be at least another year or so before we would see anything from them anyway.

-Hoops