Style_Brazil Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 (edited) hi all, anyone have pictures of AH-64A Apache (the foreground)? South Carolina Army National Guard U.S.ARMY October 2004, IRAQ http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh272/styledf/1177212.jpg because I'm riding my first model and I'm not finding anything beyond that photo for best references ... someone help me? Grateful Fabiano Dias. Edited March 30, 2010 by Albert Moore Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hovering Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 (edited) Think of it like a jigsaw puzzle... edit: I can't remember where I got that image from.. but thanks to the photographer. Edited March 18, 2010 by hovering Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hovering Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 (edited) South Carolina Army National Guard U.S.ARMY October 2004, IRAQ oh.. don't know how good your googlefu is.. but the info on airliners.net for that image is: Its in Arizona, 2007 and its being flown by a Boeing crew. Edited March 18, 2010 by hovering Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobrahistorian Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 (edited) hi all,anyone have pictures of AH-64A Apache (the foreground)? South Carolina Army National Guard U.S.ARMY October 2004, IRAQ because I'm riding my first model and I'm not finding anything beyond that photo for best references ... someone help me? Grateful Fabiano Dias. THAT HELICOPTER IS EVIL!!!! It crapped an engine on me climbing out of Latrobe airport! Turns out the main bearing started eating itself. That particular photo was taken in Mesa Arizona in 2007, just before we got them. We got five of the South Carolina birds up in Pennsylvania when they started to transition to the Longbow. I've got a full walkaround of it. What specifically are you looking for on it? Also, I will say that there was considerable discussion of the aft end of the tailboom when this photo first came out. I can confirm that it is NOT painted CARC green, it was gray all the way to the tail. That is just the shadow of the stabilator. Jon Edited March 18, 2010 by Cobrahistorian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 I can confirm that it is NOT painted CARC green, it was gray all the way to the tail. That is just the shadow of the stabilator. Say what..... Your saying that 2 is a shadow like 3 and 4? What are you saying is 1? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobrahistorian Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 (edited) Say what..... Your saying that 2 is a shadow like 3 and 4? What are you saying is 1? 2 is a shadow. 1 is a rubber blast deflector for rocket debris. Edited March 18, 2010 by Cobrahistorian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobrahistorian Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Oh hell.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 (edited) IMHO 1 is the shadow area 2 is where the shadow stops 3 shows it wrapping around 4 is the shadow further up from the stabilizer, that color is different than the wrap around color. 5 has a nice clean stopping point If I am wrong, can you point out where I am, cause I just don't see. Thanks for the updated pics. Edited March 18, 2010 by Tank Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 (edited) Are you sure it's just a shadow? :unsure: I think the stabilator shadow is along the red line and the bigger you blow it up, the more it looks like Helo Drab. Kinda-EDIT: Tank was a bit faster. :lol: Real EDIT: Man, I need to build one of those grey Apaches one day! Thanks for sharing those pics, Jon! Edited March 18, 2010 by ChernayaAkula Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobrahistorian Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Moritz, I hear ya and I agree with your assessment, that was my original take on it too. It may well be, but six months after this photo when I was flying this exact aircraft, it was gray to the tip of the tailboom. I can't explain what we're seeing here, but I will say that if something broke on the bird and a new part was needed, it WAS NOT painted gray to match the rest of the helicopter. The intention was to not have to paint them before they went in to be Longbowed, so if a component needed to be replaced, it stayed green. Also, there's NO reason to replace that section of tailboom. If you're gonna replace it, you're gonna replace the whole friggin thing, or you're gonna patch a hole. So I have no idea what the deal is with that particular section. I'll see if I've got a better shot of that part of the tailboom on 331 at home tonight. Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hovering Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 this thread delivers :unsure: Did 331 have the tree on the other side like the a/c in the original photo and the one I posted? fwiw.. the last bit of the tail looks green to me as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobrahistorian Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 It did have the Palmetto on both nacelles when it served with South Carolina, both stateside and in Iraq. The Palmettos were painted out when they came to Pennsylvania. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Longbow Mech Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 After working Longbows for a year and a half, I can not figure out why in the crap that section is painted green. The only thing I can come up with is while it was at Mesa it "might" have had a major structure repair done to the aft tail boom. There is a major dubbler right about where the green starts that goes around the tail boom. If a crack was found there they might have put the tail boom in a jig and made a repair. This picture could be the bird going out on a test flight and after it passed it was sent to the paint barn for touch up. This also might have been a repair that CCAD could not do that required it to go to Mesa. I am only guessing! Brock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Style_Brazil Posted March 20, 2010 Author Share Posted March 20, 2010 Hi all, thank you for the clarification... as is my first model to see that I have much to learn... Best Regards, Fabiano Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gremlin30 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 The Greys were at Ft Hood a coupple years back for cleaning after their return from playing in the sand. I was able to take several photos of one of them. I am new to this site so unfortunatly I havent figured out how to post them. My Email address is gremlin30@gmail.com . I will email them to you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrittMac Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Gremlin, welcome to ARC. That is a nice of you to offer to send people those pics. One thing, for your peace of mind, I highly recommend taking your email address off of the post and just saying, "PM me for my email address". Your email will end up in the wrong hands (forum bots and such) and you may get TONS of spam mails or other nastys sent to you. There is a guide to posting photos at the top of the forum pages, but basically you have to use a website like Flickr or Imageshack to host them, then link them here. It isn't too tough to do. Brandon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TXCajun Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Per the green: Note also the color of the assembly surrounding the TADS (?). Must have been some type of depot parts-swapping. In one of my former jobs, I inadvertently inflicted some battle damage on a Chinook (LONG story). The sheet metal guys just patched that area and repainted it. So, it ended up being a slightly different color. Maybe they did a small bit of patching on the '64 and just painted some CARC on it to the pane lines for short-term corrosion protection, then it got the gray later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shawn M Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 this thread is awesome! Thank you all! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gremlin30 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I have up loaded my photos of the SC Greys on my Webshots album. http://community.webshots.com/album/577174502PLngIY They were taken at Ft Hood Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hovering Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Fantastic photos Gremlin30! Thanks for sharing them. This thread just keeps getting better! Any chance of seeing any Black Hawk photos ps:pity the website has those popups.. looks like I need a blocker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobrahistorian Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Per the green: Note also the color of the assembly surrounding the TADS (?). Must have been some type of depot parts-swapping. In one of my former jobs, I inadvertently inflicted some battle damage on a Chinook (LONG story). The sheet metal guys just patched that area and repainted it. So, it ended up being a slightly different color. Maybe they did a small bit of patching on the '64 and just painted some CARC on it to the pane lines for short-term corrosion protection, then it got the gray later. The TADS/PNVS mount was replaced before we got 331. It was still CARC green when we got it (and when it sh!t an engine on me!) but the tailboom was gray to the tailwheel. It is green in this pic, so I'm wondering if they sprayed it gray before it got to us. It doesn't make sense that they would have, but it was clearly gray when I flew it (I think I probably have 15 hours in that particular bird). Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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