Shark Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 (edited) Never mind. Shark Edited March 30, 2010 by Shark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FAR148 Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Oh God !!! Here come all the bravo sierra about how bad this kit is........ Steven L Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Well, it's in hobbyeasy.com now, release date is April 9th, for a mere $605 HKD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Shark: if you want to know about the kit, you can use the Search function as the kit and its accuracy has been discussed many time. Try typing "Fencer". Oh God !!! Here come all the bravo sierra about how bad this kit is........ Nope. The "it looks like a" camp has done a preemptive strike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zactoman Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 "it looks like a"No it doesn't! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Firecaptain Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Shame for not reading EVERY post EVERY day.........this has been out and discussed ad nauseam...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 saw a build yesterday on Aeroscale. It has the size of some 1/32 jets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 "it looks like a"No it doesn't! :D Found this on Britmodeller via a link on whatifmodelers. Made by Graham T. Friggin awesome! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 This kit makes me want to cry whenever I see it. Not because of nostalgia. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 No it doesn't! Found this on Britmodeller via a link on whatifmodelers. Made by Graham T. Friggin awesome! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Roberts Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 (edited) Good lord that is what a Starfix kit really looks like....wow That thing wouldn't even be mistaken for a Spitfire airfield decoy by a nearsighted Luftwaffe recon pilot Edited March 29, 2010 by Matt Roberts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Av8fan Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) Never mind. No point Edited March 30, 2010 by Av8fan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thegoodsgt Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I just read on Cybermodeler that Starfix is under new management, the former COO of Hasegawa, and will be releasing a new tool MiG-23 series later this year. (Should've saved that for April 1.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shark Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 .........this has been out and discussed ad nauseam...... I apologize for not reading your posts every day. it's fan bois like you who keep me away from ARC now adays. sorry i bothered the rivet counters, i tend to do that a lot. Shark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zactoman Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I apologize for not reading your posts every day.it's fan bois like you who keep me away from ARC now adays. sorry i bothered the rivet counters, i tend to do that a lot. Shark Hi Shark, Sadly the very first reply to your post derailed this thread and so spoiled the mood that you didn't get valid replies (except Laurent suggesting you search rather than ask). Don't be angry about the reply chastising you for not reading every post every day. I believe this was meant as a joke and was actually meant as sarcasm directed at the first reply. It's unfortunate that some people won't allow models to be discussed (on a model discussion forum!). What next? Attacking in-progress builds where the builder is correcting or detailing a kit because he wasn't satisfied with what was in the box? Regarding the kit (briefly summarizing results of previous discussions): It is very expensive with an MSRP of $150, but can be found cheaper. It is a very impressive kit with lots of parts, lots of weapons and crisp, detailed molding (and a nice box!). The kit does have some major problems with accuracy of shape as well as some minor errors. Some of the bigger errors: Undersized exhausts which are too far apart. Rear fuselage doesn't taper enough. The spine/fuselage proportions are wrong making the spine too shallow. The spine is also curved too much instead of almost flat and it fades out too soon at the rear. The forward fuselage is too round in profile, especially at the nosecone intersection. The round fwd fuselage section causes the windscreen to be wrong, making the windscreen intersection curve up (towards the front) rather than curve down. Other errors include: The nose not drooping. The vertical stab is a little too big and the kink in its' leading edge is located too low. I'm sure there are other smaller errors but they don't impact the overall look of the model. Here are some links to pictures of the kit: http://www.primeportal.net/models/thomas_v...ndex.php?Page=3 http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....howtopic=202231 Here are a few of the discussions about the accuracy issues: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....howtopic=205879 http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....howtopic=203112 http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....howtopic=196276 http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....94101&st=40 Like I said above, it's an expensive, impressive kit but has some problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Excellent post Zacto! And very succinct as well, your talents are myriad. (and no this isn't sarcasm or hyperbole, but sincerely meant in its' entirety) (although I am still mad that you don't do 48th) (but, I'll recover, at least that's what my therapist would say if I had one!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Excellent post Zacto! And very succinct as well, your talents are myriad. :D (and no this isn't sarcasm or hyperbole, but sincerely meant in its' entirety) (although I am still mad that you don't do 48th) (but, I'll recover, at least that's what my therapist would say if I had one!) YES, I mean it too! i really appreciate your interventions, Chris. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zactoman Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Well thanks guys I just hope Shark comes back to read it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgrease Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) duplicate post - apologies Edited March 31, 2010 by jgrease Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgrease Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 So here's where I kind of understand both sides. I see where Zacto is pointing out problems between the real Su-24 and the Trumpy kit, and I understand that. I also understand the concept "well why can't they just make it right the first time?". This is certainly something that has come up again and again about Trumpeter kits - more near misses than hits. So don't take this the wrong way, but as a casual modeler, that kit looks really cool built up. Honestly, I would buy one, and quite possible build it. And I absolutely understand Shark's frustration with ARC. I love this forum, but it seems to be clogged with rivet counters who spend more time flaming kits than building them (present company excluded). While I appreciate the time that said counters put into comparison research, I would really like to see more build-ups with corrections shown than all of the "if you measure the fuselage, the access panel behind the canopy is .006" too far forward so this kit is garbage" nonsense. Again, no offense to Zacto because he builds and builds well, but geez, enough. Trumpeter can't get one kit out the door that is correct - I get it. Sorry for the rant. Back to modeling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Firecaptain Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) For some folks a sense of humor might be in order...........it's only modeling.....sheesh... Those that do have it.....BRAVO! Edited March 31, 2010 by Firecaptain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Roberts Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 http://www.trashmodeller.com/index.php?topic=1130.0 An interesting perspective on 'assisting' model companies by some of those who have gone on before us (MoFo....) As for the Fencer I am wanting to see what one looks like built up. Like the Hobbyboss Tornado I can see the 'problems' that are mentioned, however once it is in the hands of the modeller his skill - or lack thereof (me) makes the differance. On Britmodeller there has been a build and correction thread by Jon Kunac-Tabinor http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41559 of the Hobbyboss Tornado - but the bad thing is except for the canopy all of the subtle work on the nose and other outline problems is lost on me. I love the Tornado but I don't know the airframe that well to take a look at something and say catagorically - that is wrong (or right for that matter). The canopy I see as the framing looks off, as it is something I am used to looking at. the Fencer is another example - I know what one looks like but prior to the debate would I really know what the exhausts look like, or the spine...no. There are those who have the gift of being able to look at shapes and easily tell if something is right - or wrong. Zacto is one of those, and I respect his views, but ( and there is always a but...) for myself shape problems are not the determining factor in if I want to puchase and build a kit. I like to hear about how the kit goes together, I have been burned trying to build certain companies limited run kits too often, and the options included in the kit. When I see one built up I can get a better idea of what is important to me. Sometimes a 'flaw' leaps out at me, such as the undersized ejector seat in the Academy Hawker Hunter which I can do something about (resin seat). Sometimes the flaws dont such as the nose on Trumpeters Flaggon kit - so I'll ignore them and just have fun with the build. I think whenever I get the money to buy a Fencer I think it'll fall into the second catagory. I'll know some of the errors but as nobody will ever see my build I will build it and have an impressive looking build somewhere in my toyroom. It is all up to you the specific modeller, on what approach to a subject will work for you, out of the box or massive correction build. There are both types of modellers and even a modeller can use both approaches in his builds. It is up to you to determine which approach to a kit you want to use. Matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 <...> And I absolutely understand Shark's frustration with ARC. I love this forum, but it seems to be clogged with rivet counters who spend more time flaming kits than building them (present company excluded). <...> And for every rivet counter, there seems to be a member of the "just build it", "it looks like"crowd. One group discusses models (as is the purpose of a model discussion board), the other discusses the attitude of the other group. Which do you find more frustrating? <...> Again, no offense to Zacto because he builds and builds well, but geez, enough. Trumpeter can't get one kit out the door that is correct - I get it. <...> No, not enough. You said Trumpeter can't get one kit out the door that is correct and that you get it. Yes, but does that mean that you have to accept it for all times? In case of the Su-25, song even asked for feedback. Hobby Boss showed CAD drawings of their 1/72 Rafales. These CAD drawings did not have the chaff and flare launchers on the rear fuselage of the production aircraft. Their 1/48 Rafales did not have these launchers either. Some criticism in modelling boards by the rivet counters ensued. And - hey, presto - Hobby Boss modifies the CAD data (relatively cheap) and now we have a Rafale with the appropriate chaff and flare launchers. Because the rivet counters made a racket even before the moulds were cut. Does anybody think they would have modified the steel moulds after the first production run, which would have been much more expensive? No way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Geez, why do we have to have this same fight again, and on the same kit? Wasn't it enough in the other thread? I think this thread needs to be closed. Zacto answered the question and the other thread has been referred to. I don't see any place for this thread to go that the other one hasn't already been. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Deja Vu all over again Dave? :wub: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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