Scooby Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 32 minutes ago, Jonathan_Lotton said: The Tornado's are planned to begin a phase out in 2025.. Realistically they would need to have a full up 5th Gen designed, flight tested and going through trials by 2023..only five years from now (roughly). I think the Germans haven't been particularly pleased at how the Typhoon program went so they might be a bit more cautious about diving into a EuroStrike aircraft, but that's just me spitballing that. Block 3 Super Hornets are a good possibility, however I think the proliferation of advanced double digit SAM's to increasingly unstable areas and the (admittedly smallish) possibility of a localized shooting war in the greater Euro Sphere of influence..I don't know. Super Hornets aren’t even mentioned in that article. I don’t think any country is even considering the obsolete Super Hornet except crazy politicians in Canada. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonathan_Lotton Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 27 minutes ago, Scooby said: Super Hornets aren’t even mentioned in that article. I don’t think any country is even considering the obsolete Super Hornet except crazy politicians in Canada. http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/germany-asks-for-boeing-fighter-data-as-weighs-order-options/article_e9eb6fc5-b19f-5dad-bdb7-fd61f287a474.html Germany requested a classified briefing from Boeing on both the F-15E and the Super Hornet. That would indicate interest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Scooby said: Super Hornets aren’t even mentioned in that article. I don’t think any country is even considering the obsolete Super Hornet except crazy politicians in Canada. And the USN, which seems to have a liking for those obsolete jets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkW Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 I thought Halloween was over. How long are they (Boeing) going to keep that undead manufacturing line open?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 22 hours ago, Jonathan_Lotton said: http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/germany-asks-for-boeing-fighter-data-as-weighs-order-options/article_e9eb6fc5-b19f-5dad-bdb7-fd61f287a474.html Germany requested a classified briefing from Boeing on both the F-15E and the Super Hornet. That would indicate interest. Box checking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 20 hours ago, 11bee said: And the USN, which seems to have a liking for those obsolete jets. You can always trust the blueberry camo crew. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 23 hours ago, 11bee said: And the USN, which seems to have a liking for those obsolete jets. They weren’t when they purchased them over two decades ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris L Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Nor were the F-4's when they were acquired . In the end, you can only buy the toys that the boss will let you . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 If Germany wants more 4.5 Gen jets, its not Super Hornets. Its more Typhoons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkW Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 Did Typhoons magically develop air to ground capability? Let alone contested A2G? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkW Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 In other news, UAE is being reported as a possible export customer...if Israel allows. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkW Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share Posted November 17, 2017 Turkey, Turkey, Turkey...whatcha doin' man?! https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/dubai-air-show/2017/11/16/us-official-if-turkey-buys-russian-systems-they-cant-plug-into-nato-tech/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB 11.17.17&utm_term=Editorial - Early Bird Brief Who would love the chance to run an F-35 against a S-400 more, us, or Russia? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DutyCat Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) On 11/11/2017 at 8:00 PM, Scooby said: They weren’t when they purchased them over two decades ago. And they still aren't. "Obsolete" does not mean anything other than state of the art. In practical terms, it means at a huge disadvantage against what is likely be fielded by a peer adversary. Look what everybody else is flying. When considering overall performance, a SuperHornet will hold its own against most things it is likely to encounter. Remember the USAF and many other nations are still buying "obsolete" F-16s. Edited November 23, 2017 by DutyCat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, DutyCat said: And they still aren't. "Obsolete" does not mean anything other than state of the art. In practical terms, it means at a huge disadvantage against what is likely be fielded by a peer adversary. Look what everybody else is flying. When considering overall performance, a SuperHornet will hold its own against most things it is likely to encounter. Remember the USAF and many other nations are still buying "obsolete" F-16s. The air force is still buying F-16s? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris L Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Makes me think of the obsolete Mig -19's over South East Asia . From what I read , they accounted well for themselves when they were at the hands of a well trained pilot . Cheers, Christian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chris L said: Makes me think of the obsolete Mig -19's over South East Asia . From what I read , they accounted well for themselves when they were at the hands of a well trained pilot . Cheers, Christian It typically comes down to the pilot, IF the technological / tactical playing field is at least somewhat level. SEA is not really a relevant case study since, for most of the war, US hardware didn't work very well and our tactics sucked. If you must use SEA as a case study, go with 1972, when the US finally started to use BVR tactics and precision weapons. That being said, gotta believe the Navy feels that the SH can hold it's own against the adversaries they plan on going up against in the future. As such, I assume they have just a bit more insight into the subject than the internet masses. In that light, I assume they have also figured out how to make the most use of their F-35C's abilities when paired with earlier generation jets. By all accounts, it's a powerful force multiplier, especially since the Navy seems to really be pushing it's integrated fires concept, with targeting links between ships, AWAC's, UAV's, fighters and other sensors. Maybe they decided they can get the job done with a mix of jets? Gotta give credit to the Navy, after all - they have a significant lead over the AF in kills for nearly two decades. I'd say that makes them the air to air specialists. Edited November 23, 2017 by 11bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 hour ago, 11bee said: Gotta give credit to the Navy, after all - they have a significant lead over the AF in kills for nearly two decades. I'd say that makes them the air to air specialists. Source? Or trolling? The super hornet is the choice now for the same reason it was 20 years ago. It's the best choice cause it's the only choice, until they get something better. The navy isn't going to advertise that they are asking for billions to stay relevant with an airplane that can't win the high end fight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Chris L said: Makes me think of the obsolete Mig -19's over South East Asia . From what I read , they accounted well for themselves when they were at the hands of a well trained pilot . Cheers, Christian Right up Until they didn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DutyCat Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 5 hours ago, TaiidanTomcat said: The air force is still buying F-16s? I thought so, by I guess not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 13 hours ago, TaiidanTomcat said: The air force is still buying F-16s? Last USAF F-16 was a block 50 C model “bought” in FY 2001, tail # 01-7053, delivery was in March 2005. So, no. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Quote Gotta give credit to the Navy, after all - they have a significant lead over the AF in kills for nearly two decades. I'd say that makes them the air to air specialists. Blatantly incorrect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 6 hours ago, Waco said: Blatantly incorrect. Sorry guys, that was meant to be tongue in cheek. In reference to the only A2A kill in the last few years being scored by the Navy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 27 minutes ago, 11bee said: Sorry guys, that was meant to be tongue in cheek. In reference to the only A2A kill in the last few years being scored by the Navy. Sorry missed it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, TaiidanTomcat said: Sorry missed it. No worries TT, my subtle sense of humor isn't the greatest face to face, let alone via the internet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 11 hours ago, habu2 said: Last USAF F-16 was a block 50 C model “bought” in FY 2001, tail # 01-7053, delivery was in March 2005. So, no. That one must be a collectors version right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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