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13 minutes ago, 11bee said:

German F-35"s?

 

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/15896/germany-says-the-f-35-is-the-preferred-choice-to-replace-its-tornados

 

Why do I think this is an extreme longshot?  Instead, the Germans will probably end up collaborating with the French on a 5th gen design, which by the time it is operational, will be struggling to keep up with the 6th generation aircraft in service with the US.  This will be done in the name of European unity.   

 

Or instead, maybe the Germans will just purchase Super Hornets?   

 

BTW, the article features a nice picture of a current production F-35 in the new paint scheme.   


The Tornado's are planned to begin a phase out in 2025..

Realistically they would need to have a full up 5th Gen designed, flight tested and going through trials by 2023..only five years from now (roughly).  I think the Germans haven't been particularly pleased at how the Typhoon program went so they might be a bit more cautious about diving into a EuroStrike aircraft, but that's just me spitballing that. 

Block 3 Super Hornets are a good possibility, however I think the proliferation of advanced double digit SAM's to increasingly unstable areas and the (admittedly smallish) possibility of a localized shooting war in the greater Euro Sphere of influence..I don't know. 

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32 minutes ago, Jonathan_Lotton said:


The Tornado's are planned to begin a phase out in 2025..

Realistically they would need to have a full up 5th Gen designed, flight tested and going through trials by 2023..only five years from now (roughly).  I think the Germans haven't been particularly pleased at how the Typhoon program went so they might be a bit more cautious about diving into a EuroStrike aircraft, but that's just me spitballing that. 

Block 3 Super Hornets are a good possibility, however I think the proliferation of advanced double digit SAM's to increasingly unstable areas and the (admittedly smallish) possibility of a localized shooting war in the greater Euro Sphere of influence..I don't know. 

 

Super Hornets aren’t even mentioned in that article. I don’t think any country is even considering the obsolete Super Hornet except crazy politicians in Canada.

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27 minutes ago, Scooby said:

 

Super Hornets aren’t even mentioned in that article. I don’t think any country is even considering the obsolete Super Hornet except crazy politicians in Canada.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/germany-asks-for-boeing-fighter-data-as-weighs-order-options/article_e9eb6fc5-b19f-5dad-bdb7-fd61f287a474.html

Germany requested a classified briefing from Boeing on both the F-15E and the Super Hornet. 

That would indicate interest. 

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2 hours ago, Scooby said:

 

Super Hornets aren’t even mentioned in that article. I don’t think any country is even considering the obsolete Super Hornet except crazy politicians in Canada.

And the USN, which seems to have a liking for those obsolete jets.  

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22 hours ago, Jonathan_Lotton said:

 

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/germany-asks-for-boeing-fighter-data-as-weighs-order-options/article_e9eb6fc5-b19f-5dad-bdb7-fd61f287a474.html

Germany requested a classified briefing from Boeing on both the F-15E and the Super Hornet. 

That would indicate interest. 

 

 

Box checking. 

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On 11/11/2017 at 8:00 PM, Scooby said:

 

They weren’t when they purchased them over two decades ago.

And they still aren't.  "Obsolete" does not mean anything other than state of the art.  In practical terms, it means at a huge disadvantage against what is likely be fielded by a peer adversary.  Look what everybody else is flying.  When considering overall performance, a SuperHornet will hold its own against most things it is likely to encounter.  Remember the USAF and many other nations are still buying "obsolete" F-16s.

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17 minutes ago, DutyCat said:

And they still aren't.  "Obsolete" does not mean anything other than state of the art.  In practical terms, it means at a huge disadvantage against what is likely be fielded by a peer adversary.  Look what everybody else is flying.  When considering overall performance, a SuperHornet will hold its own against most things it is likely to encounter.  Remember the USAF and many other nations are still buying "obsolete" F-16s.

 

 

The air force is still buying F-16s?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Chris L said:

 

 Makes me think of the obsolete Mig -19's over  South East Asia .  From what I read , they accounted well for themselves when they were at the hands of a well trained pilot .

 

 Cheers, Christian

It typically comes down to the pilot, IF the technological / tactical playing field is at least somewhat level.   SEA is not really a relevant case study since, for most of the war, US hardware didn't work very well and our tactics sucked.   If you must use SEA as a case study, go with 1972, when the US finally started to use BVR tactics and precision weapons.   

 

That being said, gotta believe the Navy feels that the SH can hold it's own against the adversaries they plan on going up against in the future.  As such, I assume they have just a bit more insight into the subject than the internet masses.   In that light,  I assume they have also figured out how to make the most use of their F-35C's abilities when paired with earlier generation jets.  By all accounts, it's a powerful force multiplier, especially since the Navy seems to really be pushing it's integrated fires concept, with targeting links between ships, AWAC's, UAV's, fighters and other sensors.  Maybe they decided they can get the job done with a mix of jets?

 

Gotta give credit to the Navy, after all - they have a significant lead over the AF in kills for nearly two decades.   I'd say that makes them the air to air specialists.  

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1 hour ago, 11bee said:

 

Gotta give credit to the Navy, after all - they have a significant lead over the AF in kills for nearly two decades.   I'd say that makes them the air to air specialists.  

 

 

Source? 

 

Or trolling?

 

The super hornet is the choice now for the same reason it was 20 years ago. It's the best choice cause it's the only choice, until they get something better. 

 

The navy isn't going to advertise that they are asking for billions to stay relevant with an airplane that can't win the high end fight. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Chris L said:

 

 Makes me think of the obsolete Mig -19's over  South East Asia .  From what I read , they accounted well for themselves when they were at the hands of a well trained pilot .

 

 Cheers, Christian

 

Right up Until they didn't. 

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13 hours ago, TaiidanTomcat said:

 

 

The air force is still buying F-16s?

 

 

 

Last USAF F-16 was a block 50 C model “bought” in FY 2001, tail # 01-7053, delivery was in March 2005.

 

So, no.

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