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2 minutes ago, 11bee said:

Fun fact - they have a very nice looking pub onboard, with craft beers on tap.    

Yep I knew that. Its called The Queens Head and it looks better then some land based Pubs too!

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Now I'll take those five full 1:1 beers in the pic above to go with my 1/350 Queen Elizabeth :beer4:

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Gentlemen.....I don't appreciate having to come in this thread to delete political posts. 

DON'T DO IT!!!

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I’m sure it has been asked and answered somewhere over 352 pages but finding it is a different story so here goes... would later blocks of the F-35 be considered gen 5 aircraft or closer to gen 6? Comparing speed, maneuverability, range and other close combat functions against an Su-35 are probably tough- lots we don’t know. Pilot training also would be an advantage. Avionics are a different story from what I hear and the F-35 possesses a solid tactical advantage. Does that capability (improves over upgrade cycle) push it near gen 6?

 

Again, apologies for a rehash but appreciate info.

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Forgive me if six generation fighter jet has been defined already  however if you ask me the next generation of fighter aircraft will go from just supersonic to hypersonic and beyond the realm of invisibility to radar but also to infrared and the human eye and possibly even having energy weapons. I know this sounds far-fetched but didn’t the one of the aircraft manufacturers publish an artist conception number of years ago showing a new fighter jet shooting laser beams. Did the British think manned jet fighters were dying out  Way back in the 1960s and 70s?  I also you think we want to consider that future wars are also going to be fighting in space.  a number of countries already have a space force component to their military and with the use of satellite warfare the next conflicts will likely spread up out of our atmosphere

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Sounds like the Marines are re-thinking their half-century long obsession with slow, lightly defended Amphibious Assault ships, primarily due to recent (mostly Chinese) advances in antiship missiles and other area denial strategies.  

 

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29608/marine-bosss-audacious-plan-to-transform-the-corps-by-giving-up-big-amphibious-ships

 

The solution appears to be using slower, even less well defended converted civilian cargo ships as floating base ships.    Wonder if this means any changes for F-35 deployments on those amphibious carriers? 

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On 9/5/2019 at 3:59 PM, 11bee said:

Sounds like the Marines are re-thinking their half-century long obsession with slow, lightly defended Amphibious Assault ships, primarily due to recent (mostly Chinese) advances in antiship missiles and other area denial strategies.  

 

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29608/marine-bosss-audacious-plan-to-transform-the-corps-by-giving-up-big-amphibious-ships

 

The solution appears to be using slower, even less well defended converted civilian cargo ships as floating base ships.    Wonder if this means any changes for F-35 deployments on those amphibious carriers? 

 

Those things are sitting ducks.

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4 hours ago, Mr Matt Foley said:

 

Those things are sitting ducks.

Those are fighting words around here!    Oh wait- are you talking about those boats?  

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On 9/11/2019 at 2:28 PM, achterkirch said:

 

 

Hoping Mighty Canada will have an Air Force as advanced as Poland. 

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I apologize if this was posted and I missed it, but it sounds like F-35s saw a little more action in Iraq.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/f-35s-and-f-15s-just-obliterated-an-entire-iraqi-island-to-root-out-isis-fighters/ar-AAH5Ke6

 

Also interesting to me is that there wasn't any mention in the story about the F-35s being new, their cost, etc.

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2 hours ago, Ken Cartwright said:

I apologize if this was posted and I missed it, but it sounds like F-35s saw a little more action in Iraq.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/f-35s-and-f-15s-just-obliterated-an-entire-iraqi-island-to-root-out-isis-fighters/ar-AAH5Ke6

 

Hooray!  We used stealth fighters to blow up trees! 

 

"We're denying Daesh the ability to hide on Qanus Island," said Maj. Gen. Eric T. Hill, commander of OIR's Special Operations Joint Task Force,

 

In various reports, it went from a Daesh "infested" island to an operation simply to remove vegetation in order to prevent the bad guys from having cover.   Either way, I suppose it's still a victory in the never ending Global War On Terror.

 

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21 minutes ago, 11bee said:

Either way, I suppose it's still a victory in the never ending Global War On Terror.

Precision guided weed-whacking?

Global War on Weeds?

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I was not commenting on the validity of the action taken, only noting that the F-35s saw some action, and that the report didn't even comment on F-35 development history, issues, etc.  F-15s were involved as well, so it doesn't look like the action plan was necessarily influenced by the use of F-35s, and they were just being used as a resource.

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32 minutes ago, Ken Cartwright said:

I was not commenting on the validity of the action taken, only noting that the F-35s saw some action, and that the report didn't even comment on F-35 development history, issues, etc.  F-15s were involved as well, so it doesn't look like the action plan was necessarily influenced by the use of F-35s, and they were just being used as a resource.

You have a valid point.   I guess we are finally at the point where the novelty and controversy associated with the F-35 has started to fade.   Not necessarily a bad thing I suppose.  

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As much as the F-35 looked impressive in the clip above, I'm starting to think that the future of airpower is headed in a different direction.   10 "suicide drones'  just eliminated 50% of Saudi Arabia's oil production.   They could have just as easily taken out a major airport or a flight line full of exposed mutlimillion dollar fighters.    All this for a cost probably 1/1000 of an F-35.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/15/middleeast/saudi-oil-attack-lister-analysis-intl/index.html

 

ISIS has already weaponized small, off the shelf drones, only a matter of time before they are used in a major terrorist attack against the west.    

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3 hours ago, 11bee said:

As much as the F-35 looked impressive in the clip above, I'm starting to think that the future of airpower is headed in a different direction.   10 "suicide drones'  just eliminated 50% of Saudi Arabia's oil production.   They could have just as easily taken out a major airport or a flight line full of exposed mutlimillion dollar fighters.    All this for a cost probably 1/1000 of an F-35.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/15/middleeast/saudi-oil-attack-lister-analysis-intl/index.html

 

ISIS has already weaponized small, off the shelf drones, only a matter of time before they are used in a major terrorist attack against the west.    

This article kinda touches on that. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29690/b-21s-with-air-to-air-capabilities-drones-not-6th-gen-fighters-to-dominate-future-air-combat

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Three words define why we (USA) will continue with large expensive fighter and bomber contracts:

 

 Military Industrial Complex

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2 hours ago, habu2 said:

Three words define why we (USA) will continue with large expensive fighter and bomber contracts:

 

 Military Industrial Complex

I’ll take your “Military Industrial Complex” and raise you with “Asymmetrical Warfare”.   

 

I do wonder how easy it would be for an adversary or terrorist organization to smuggle a few dozen of those ISIS-style militarized recreational drones into the US and fly them over the exposed flight lines at Langley or Hill AFB and take out a few billion dollars worth of F-22’s or F-35’s.   

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Look at the damage they were able to do by buying a dozen or so airline tickets. 

 

And the downing of the WTC towers and loss of life was just the beginning.  OBL knew the US would spend “whatever it takes” to “defeat” terrorism, thus guaranteeing the US would accrue an even more crippling national debt in the process.  IMO that was the real plan all along. 

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10 hours ago, 11bee said:

As much as the F-35 looked impressive in the clip above, I'm starting to think that the future of airpower is headed in a different direction.   10 "suicide drones'  just eliminated 50% of Saudi Arabia's oil production.   They could have just as easily taken out a major airport or a flight line full of exposed mutlimillion dollar fighters.    All this for a cost probably 1/1000 of an F-35.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/15/middleeast/saudi-oil-attack-lister-analysis-intl/index.html

 

ISIS has already weaponized small, off the shelf drones, only a matter of time before they are used in a major terrorist attack against the west.    

 

I did courses and training in military procurement at Royal Military College. You always purchase equipment for tomorrow’s wars, not today’s. You plan for the strongest possible adversary, not your current enemies. Therefore the F-35 is viable and so are newer technologies in development.

 

But so much for that thinking if politicians do the purchasing.

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1 hour ago, Scooby said:

 

I did courses and training in military procurement at Royal Military College. You always purchase equipment for tomorrow’s wars, not today’s. You plan for the strongest possible adversary, not your current enemies. Therefore the F-35 is viable and so are newer technologies in development.

 

But so much for that thinking if politicians do the purchasing.

As it should be I suppose.  Just curious how the Royal Military College was able to determine what tomorrow’s war looks like?   Seems to be quite an impressive feat.   They should share this info ASAP with the pentagon because historically, America has been eminently prepared to fight it’s last war, a bit less well prepared for the next one.  

 

So please tell me, will tomorrow’s war look like WW3 vrs China, will it look like the annexation of the Crimea or will it simply be additional regime change via social media manipulation and hacking?     In the last two examples, all those nice shiny F-35’s will be worthless.  

 

We live in interesting and perilous times. 

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VT Air Guard has some new rides being delivered this week.

 

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Related, HMS Queen Elizabeth is operating on the Canadian/U.S side of the pond. Those living close to U.S Naval bases can keep an eye out for her as she's left CFB Halifax.

 

Happy modeling!

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1 hour ago, Don said:

...as she's left CFB Halifax.

 

 

Halifaxit ???

 

sorry couldn’t resist

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HMS Prince of Wales about to undertake sea trials:

Happy Modeling!

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