B52HVet Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) Hello all, I used to work on the B-52H at Barksdale, so the BUFF has always held a special place in my heart. I recently purchased Italeri's 72nd scale H model, and set about looking for ways to make it more accurate and "correct" to represent todays active fleet. My first major sticking point was the pylons included in the Italeri kit. While these do accurately represent modern ALCM/ACM pylons (even down to the correct number of access panels), if you're wanting to make a 52 armed with conventional munitions, you're kinda out of luck with them. After a LOT of searching and finding no online reviews, I decided to toss $25 to the wind and order a set of "Modern HSABs - B-52H(Italeri)" from the Great Models Web store. Shipping was prompt via FEDEX, arriving 4 days after I ordered. Inside the small box was a standard bagged/card setup, including 24 gray resin pieces and one very simple black and white instruction sheet. Note: I have pics of this set up at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45658514@N02/?saved=1 I have to say...for a small organization, the folks at BUFF Master have made one hell of a product. The detail seen in this set rivals the big boys like Eduard and Aires. All the access panels are there, correct in size, shape, and even the number of fasteners (on the panels I remember from working on). Having the individual MAU-12C/D bomb racks individually cast was a nice touch, though I can tell ya separating them all won't be fun. The Wing/Pylon adapters are also very nicely done. Next month I plan on ordering the "Lumps & Bumps" for an accurate H model from these guys, and I am convinced that if their quality stays the same, I will be a VERY satisfied customer. Now to find a whoooole bunch of 72nd JDAMs...or JSOWs...Harpoons...HAVE-NAPs...WCCM-Ds.... Edited June 5, 2010 by B52HVet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terryt Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 FYI if you didn't notice Super Bug has JDAMS, here's the link. http://www.greatmodels.com/~smartcart/cgi/...m_num=SBMR72004 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hoban Washburne Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Great review and pics. Thanks B52HVet! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Hi, thanks for the review and preview pics. I would like to ask you, if the HSAB pylon can be also used for the B-52G version. The B-52H should have the same config as non-ALCM B-52G - true ? Thanks for the help. Jakub Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B52HVet Posted June 5, 2010 Author Share Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) Hi, thanks for the review and preview pics. I would like to ask you, if the HSAB pylon can be also used for the B-52G version. The B-52H should have the same config as non-ALCM B-52G - true ? Thanks for the help. Jakub Jakub, Correct, this resin set should work for conventionally armed B-52G or H models. Both of the Italeri kits have the same wing/mounting setup, so either kit should work out just fine. The switch to HSABs occurred in the mid 90s, from the old style pylons (included in the old Monogram B-52D kit). They were necessary to make the transition to smart weapons, and now HSABs and ALCM pylons are the only type currently in use. Edited June 5, 2010 by B52HVet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Jakub,Correct, this resin set should work for conventionally armed B-52G or H models. Both of the Italeri kits have the same wing/mounting setup, so either kit should work out just fine. Thanks for the info. But, the kits are not same H has non-ALCM wing and the Italeri issued G has only the ALCM wing. So to get the conventional G you need to criss-cross the H and G kits Regards Jakub Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B52HVet Posted June 5, 2010 Author Share Posted June 5, 2010 Thanks for the info. But, the kits are not same H has non-ALCM wing and the Italeri issued G has only the ALCM wing. So to get the conventional G you need to criss-cross the H and G kits Regards Jakub Really? They cast an entirely different lower wing for the G kit? The HSAB kit I reviewed includes the correct WPA (Wing/Pylon Adapter) so...it should work...but it has been quite a while since I have seen the G model kit in person. There really shouldn't be considerable difference between the wings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Really? They cast an entirely different lower wing for the G kit? The HSAB kit I reviewed includes the correct WPA (Wing/Pylon Adapter) so...it should work...but it has been quite a while since I have seen the G model kit in person. There really shouldn't be considerable difference between the wings. Hi, no, they just used the plug in the forward fuselage sides and used ALCM and non-ALCM wings for G and for H (maybe AMT did non-ALCM G, but Italeri didnt reissue this version). During my work on my Buff, I did this small page to help modellers with Gulf war G Buffs, as there are 3 possible configs you can do. Check my page HERE and if you have some tweaks or other info, please, share it. Thanks in advance. Jakub Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Super Bug Models Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Hello all,I used to work on the B-52H at Barksdale, so the BUFF has always held a special place in my heart. I recently purchased Italeri's 72nd scale H model, and set about looking for ways to make it more accurate and "correct" to represent todays active fleet. My first major sticking point was the pylons included in the Italeri kit. While these do accurately represent modern ALCM/ACM pylons (even down to the correct number of access panels), if you're wanting to make a 52 armed with conventional munitions, you're kinda out of luck with them. After a LOT of searching and finding no online reviews, I decided to toss $25 to the wind and order a set of "Modern HSABs - B-52H(Italeri)" from the Great Models Web store. Shipping was prompt via FEDEX, arriving 4 days after I ordered. Inside the small box was a standard bagged/card setup, including 24 gray resin pieces and one very simple black and white instruction sheet. Note: I have pics of this set up at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45658514@N02/?saved=1 I have to say...for a small organization, the folks at BUFF Master have made one hell of a product. The detail seen in this set rivals the big boys like Eduard and Aires. All the access panels are there, correct in size, shape, and even the number of fasteners (on the panels I remember from working on). Having the individual MAU-12C/D bomb racks individually cast was a nice touch, though I can tell ya separating them all won't be fun. The Wing/Pylon adapters are also very nicely done. Next month I plan on ordering the "Lumps & Bumps" for an accurate H model from these guys, and I am convinced that if their quality stays the same, I will be a VERY satisfied customer. Now to find a whoooole bunch of 72nd JDAMs...or JSOWs...Harpoons...HAVE-NAPs...WCCM-Ds.... Thanks For the Review B52HVet! Just a note I was able to obtain the TF-33 Measurements, that B-52H Engines are Right on the money. Cheers' Happy Modeling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B52HVet Posted June 6, 2010 Author Share Posted June 6, 2010 Thanks For the Review B52HVet! Just a note I was able to obtain the TF-33 Measurements, that B-52H Engines are Right on the money. Cheers' Happy Modeling Thanks for putting out a great product, I'd be happy to include some more on this build and write a more in-depth review if you'd like to provide some "samples" I appreciate the info on the TF-33 measurements. Any thoughts on maybe doing a bomb bay/CSRL/MHU-196-204 trailer? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Super Bug Models Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Thanks for putting out a great product, I'd be happy to include some more on this build and write a more in-depth review if you'd like to provide some "samples" :) I appreciate the info on the TF-33 measurements. Any thoughts on maybe doing a bomb bay/CSRL/MHU-196-204 trailer? The measurement of the Engines intake Mouth is 4ft, in 1/72 Scale it is .666". This is all the info I am willing to Release. If you Visit My Website you will see all of the items planned for the B-52's in the near future. By BUFF Master Design Click Here. There are 3 pages of Products. Happy Modeling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gator52 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 (edited) Hi,no, they just used the plug in the forward fuselage sides and used ALCM and non-ALCM wings for G and for H (maybe AMT did non-ALCM G, but Italeri didnt reissue this version). During my work on my Buff, I did this small page to help modellers with Gulf war G Buffs, as there are 3 possible configs you can do. Check my page HERE and if you have some tweaks or other info, please, share it. Thanks in advance. Jakub My understanding is the HSABs are appropriate for all H models and non-ALCM capable Gs. As the AMT/Italeri Late G kits represent ALCM-modified aircraft, I don't believe you'd see HSABs on those. From the pictures and info on Jakub's site, the ALCM jets would use the AGM-28/MER setup for conventional munitions. The wings are the same in both kits, so the HSABs would fit, but as Jakub pointed out, the wing root is the difference, with the fairing on the G kit marking it as an ALCM carrier. I've got a couple of sets of the BMD HSABs, and I agree they are nice. BIG improvement over the castings released under the Golden Dragon label. If you run across an HSAB set by Golden Dragon, be aware they are not the same as what is currently available from BMD. Look forward to seeing your build! What jet/squadron are you thinking? I've thought a MHU-196 would be a great way to display the missile pylon or a scratchbuilt CSRL. Daunting task though, to do it up right. Jonah Edited June 6, 2010 by Gator52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B52HVet Posted June 6, 2010 Author Share Posted June 6, 2010 (edited) My understanding is the HSABs are appropriate for all H models and non-ALCM capable Gs. As the AMT/Italeri Late G kits represent ALCM-modified aircraft, I don't believe you'd see HSABs on those. From the pictures and info on Jakub's site, the ALCM jets would use the AGM-28/MER setup for conventional munitions. The wings are the same in both kits, so the HSABs would fit, but as Jakub pointed out, the wing root is the difference, with the fairing on the G kit marking it as an ALCM carrier.I've got a couple of sets of the BMD HSABs, and I agree they are nice. BIG improvement over the castings released under the Golden Dragon label. If you run across an HSAB set by Golden Dragon, be aware they are not the same as what is currently available from BMD. Look forward to seeing your build! What jet/squadron are you thinking? I've thought a MHU-196 would be a great way to display the missile pylon or a scratchbuilt CSRL. Daunting task though, to do it up right. Jonah Jonah, Well, I was hoping to build "Balls 11" from my days in the 11th Bomb Squadron at Barksdale, or 1016 (the jet that broke my back and retired me from active duty)...but unfortunately, I missed the only opportunity I've seen in several years to get a set of the FoxOne "Combat in the BUFF" decals for it. I'm not going to give up and do this one as another jet, but good lord finding just ONE set of markings (60-011) let alone an entire sheet (which I'd love to have, just for nostalgia and any future BUFFs) has been impossible. I agree entirely about how big of a task a CSRL and trailer would be. I honestly don't know that I've got the skills to pull something like that off, but it's been sitting in the back of my mind for quite a while now...thought about maybe doing up a diorama of a load barn jet, just to bring back a few memories Edited June 6, 2010 by B52HVet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viking73 Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 If you Visit My Website you will see all of the items planned for the B-52's in the near future. By BUFF Master Design Click Here. There are 3 pages of Products.Happy Modeling Looks like some nice stuff in yout BUFF Master Design line. I don't suppose you are planning any 1/144 B-52 stuff are you? I'd just about kill for a "D" or "F" conversion in 1/144 scale. So what do you say?! -Derek Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doctorpepper Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 well, since we're all reviewing, drpepperresins has one-piece GBU-31V3 JDAMs mastered by Jared Hooper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gator52 Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 well, since we're all reviewing, drpepperresins has one-piece GBU-31V3 JDAMs mastered by Jared Hooper. And they're quite nice; I used 6 of them in my B-52H build: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....howtopic=197267 Jonah Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B52HVet Posted June 9, 2010 Author Share Posted June 9, 2010 And they're quite nice; I used 6 of them in my B-52H build:http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....howtopic=197267 Jonah Very nice 96th jet. Was that straight out of the box (minus decals and ordnance)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VG 33 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) And they're quite nice; I used 6 of them in my B-52H build:http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....howtopic=197267 Jonah Hi It's gonna be an inspiration to me when I'm starting my 52-H. If I can find some, I should hang some GBU-38 as well. Patrick Edited June 9, 2010 by VG 33 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mbittner Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Looks like some nice stuff in yout BUFF Master Design line. I don't suppose you are planning any 1/144 B-52 stuff are you? I'd just about kill for a "D" or "F" conversion in 1/144 scale.So what do you say?! -Derek Ditto. 1/144 B-52 stuff would be awesome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gator52 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Very nice 96th jet. Was that straight out of the box (minus decals and ordnance)? Thanks! Mostly OOB. I substituted the better-detailed main landing gear from the Monogram D; some antennas from the Golden Dragon/Buff Master update set as well as a few scratchbuilt antennas, and kitbashed/scratchbuilt the HSABs. If I can find some, I should hang some GBU-38 as well. I think both DoctorPepper Resins and Modern Hobbies have done GBU-38s in 1/72, though I haven't seen either set. Jonah Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tricose Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 To add to the wish list for things for the BUFF, how about somebody do the LITENING Pod and mount for it?? I know that GOFFY Models said a loooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggg time ago they were going to do a wheel well set and bomb bay but that unfortunately hasn't happened yet. Weapons are great, but like it has been said we need more current pylon sets!! The BUFF and the BONE are both big items in 1/72 and no one seems to be interested in bringing the exisiting kits up to date. Please Help us lowly big bird builders in 1/72 scale :D Thanks, Tricose Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VG 33 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I think both DoctorPepper Resins and Modern Hobbies have done GBU-38s in 1/72, though I haven't seen either set.Jonah Thank you I've seen there are GBU-38 on Dr Pepper Resins. But Modern Hobbies has given up selling at least for a while. Now, is it real to put GBU-31 and GBU-38 under the wings? Patrick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Super Bug Models Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Looks like some nice stuff in yout BUFF Master Design line. I don't suppose you are planning any 1/144 B-52 stuff are you? I'd just about kill for a "D" or "F" conversion in 1/144 scale.So what do you say?! -Derek Ditto. 1/144 B-52 stuff would be awesome. There are plans for new 1/144 Scale B-52 items, Release times as of right now. TBA! Happy Modeling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viking73 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 There are plans for new 1/144 Scale B-52 items, Release times as of right now. TBA!Happy Modeling AWESOME!!!!!!! Can you give us any hints as to what items are in the works and when we might see some of them? Just a ball-park date would be wonderful. I was tempted to start hacking up my 1/144 Revell "G" kit this weekend but with this announcment I will wait! Thank you again for this, I can't wait! -Derek Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USAFsparkchaser Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 How about some new 1/144th decals as well? KI Sawyer would be awsome! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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