F4DPhantomII Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Are any besides the 30th Anniversary available without the Navy style bumps over MLG that have to be removed. I know there are the Hasegawa 1/48 kits with Indiana mkgs,South Korean markings.Do these have to have the bumps removed.I just want an easy build where I don't have to shave those bumps off.Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Netz Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Your outa luck, they all have it. Curt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F4DPhantomII Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 Well I guess I have been lucky with the 2 30th Anniversary kits I have got without the bumps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j-basset Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I reckon Hasegawa irreversibly modified the wing molds in the late 80's when they released the Collector's High Grade F-4S and the F-4J 'Showtime 100' kits. The F-4E/F/G kits I have without the bumps are all those with the original boxing, e.g.: kit nos. P3, P4, etc. The initial release of the F-4E 30th Anniv boxing which retains the original kit no. 'P3' may have had the un-moded wings. All of the renumbered PT series F-4E 30th Anniv kit (with the closed 1 pc canopy added too) appear to have the bulges. I wish Hasegawa didn't mold in the bumps. These would have been better molded as separate parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
onescale Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 ..... I wish Hasegawa didn't mold in the bumps. These would have been better molded as separate parts. Since they have a wrong shape anyway!! But in my opinion it's a matter of minutes to remove or reshape them (<-for the Navy F-4). Best regards, Jens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F4DPhantomII Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 I reckon Hasegawa irreversibly modified the wing molds in the late 80's when they released the Collector's High Grade F-4S and the F-4J 'Showtime 100' kits.The F-4E/F/G kits I have without the bumps are all those with the original boxing, e.g.: kit nos. P3, P4, etc. The initial release of the F-4E 30th Anniv boxing which retains the original kit no. 'P3' may have had the un-moded wings. All of the renumbered PT series F-4E 30th Anniv kit (with the closed 1 pc canopy added too) appear to have the bulges. I wish Hasegawa didn't mold in the bumps. These would have been better molded as separate parts. I agree.The funniest thing I saw on the History Channel a couple of years ago was their series on Viet Nam Mig Killing Phantoms.And on the wings of Col.Robin OLds F-4C and Dan Cherry's F-4D computer generated aircraft were those dang bulges. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThePhantomTwo Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 The early F-4E releases are the ones to get and the ones I tend to seek out,even though Hasegawa provided me with a case of the "Indiana ANG Special" kits for helping with pics/references for the release(and they still buggered up a few things decal wise!I helped paint up the 1:1 scale jet back in 1991).I like those releases mainly because it saves and hour or so worth of work in removal and sanding(not a big thing really but just a preference). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason Amigo Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Man...I gotta build an F4. One of the most celebrated aircraft and I don't have one on the shelf...I barely even know anything about it for that matter! And I call myself an aircraft fanatic.... :\ Jason Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tobiK Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Man...I gotta build an F4. One of the most celebrated aircraft and I don't have one on the shelf...I barely even know anything about it for that matter! And I call myself an aircraft fanatic.... :\Jason hi jason, as far as I know the Phil. AF had no Phantoms, but why? Hehe...would be an interesting finish! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason Amigo Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 hi jason, as far as I know the Phil. AF had no Phantoms, but why? Hehe...would be an interesting finish! Did you know...that the best fighter aircraft we have ever owned in our AF is the P-51D! Yes...our airforce is pathetic...we had the best AF in Asia...until the end of the Vietnam War. The only two fighter jets that we own RIGHT NOW are two F-5B's...and they are now decommissioned. We were initially supposed to purchase the retired F/A-18C's of the USN...but due to budget cuts...I'd rather not mention it for the sake of my country...Oh well, at least our new president might do something about it (literally the inauguration of our new president tomorrow). The Philippine Air Force- "A Lot of Air...No Force" Jason Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Netz Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Well I guess I have been lucky with the 2 30th Anniversary kits I have got without the bumps. I reckon Hasegawa irreversibly modified the wing molds in the late 80's when they released the Collector's High Grade F-4S and the F-4J 'Showtime 100' kits.The F-4E/F/G kits I have without the bumps are all those with the original boxing, e.g.: kit nos. P3, P4, etc. The initial release of the F-4E 30th Anniv boxing which retains the original kit no. 'P3' may have had the un-moded wings. All of the renumbered PT series F-4E 30th Anniv kit (with the closed 1 pc canopy added too) appear to have the bulges. The early F-4E releases are the ones to get and the ones I tend to seek out,I like those releases mainly because it saves and hour or so worth of work in removal and sanding(not a big thing really but just a preference). I'm confused now.......I have the early boxing's right here that I'm working on (P-3) these are old kits I've had them since the late 80's and they both have the wing plate/bulge. Now some of you are saying the early kits don't have'm, some say the 30th doesn't have'm, some say they do. My British Phantom has a modified plate, but that's a new tooled wing due to the wider fuselage. Man your forcing me to have to tear into the stash to see what I've got.........the plate is no big issue for me, but now it's just got my curiosity up. Curt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThePhantomTwo Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 The Hasegawa F-4E releases that had the 3rd TFW "Bataan" box art had the non-bumped wing,at least all the one's I've ever bought over the years have,the early releases of the "30th Anniversary" kit also had these wings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Netz Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Ok, the 2 kits I have in front of me are the Bataan Boxing P-3 and have the bumps, and are old kits, acquired in the late 80's. Now can you clarify your last statement of the 30th anv. " the "30th Anniversary" kit also had these wings." meaning the wing without the bump as your early P-3 boxing? This is getting bad, and it's going to be like dumpster diving to dig through my F-4 kits.And I don't think I have very many 30th anv kits, maybe 1-2. Curt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Two Mikes Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 I have a 30th Anniversary boxing available if anyone wants one. Cheers Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR BLUE Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Did you know...that the best fighter aircraft we have ever owned in our AF is the P-51D! Yes...our airforce is pathetic...we had the best AF in Asia...until the end of the Vietnam War. The only two fighter jets that we own RIGHT NOW are two F-5B's...and they are now decommissioned. We were initially supposed to purchase the retired F/A-18C's of the USN...but due to budget cuts...I'd rather not mention it for the sake of my country...Oh well, at least our new president might do something about it (literally the inauguration of our new president tomorrow). The Philippine Air Force- "A Lot of Air...No Force" Jason Hey Jason, I was just at the static display at Clark ab yesterday and was shocked to see how far even the f-5 had fallen into disrepair. It would really be nice if the new president can turn some issues around. but politicians in all countries seem to have something in common..... that politician odor! :( Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Netz Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I'm outa the dumpster..... I don't have any 30th anv. but these kits were easy for me to get to, I know some are not "E"s but I just had to check,(they were there) I did note that the wing sprus were numbered (L) and (M), also I had 2 kits with spru (M) that had different parts attached. Have the bumps. F-4S Diamond Jubilee RF-4C Hard wing F-4EJ Kai PT101 F-4J P1 RF-4EJ (F-4E) F-4E P-3 (2 kits that I have, have the bumps) No bumps, smooth wing, (old kits, some of my 1st Has. F-4's acquired in the mid late 80's) F-4G P4 F-4F P7 It was fun, I'm done............................ Curt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThePhantomTwo Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Ok, the 2 kits I have in front of me are the Bataan Boxing P-3 and have the bumps, and are old kits, acquired in the late 80's.Now can you clarify your last statement of the 30th anv. " the "30th Anniversary" kit also had these wings." meaning the wing without the bump as your early P-3 boxing? This is getting bad, and it's going to be like dumpster diving to dig through my F-4 kits.And I don't think I have very many 30th anv kits, maybe 1-2. Curt Weird,every "Bataan" boxing I've picked up over the years,either new or off Ebay has had the "slick" wings,meaning no Navy bumps and the was no bridle hook option.I believe there has been at least two,maybe three releases/re-releases of the "30th Anniversary" kit,the very first I picked up had no bumps,I picked up another a year later and it had the bumps and bridle.I know kit P3-2200 has the bridle/bumps.I'm not sure if there was a second release of the Bataan kit or not.The first G's I've had no bumps or bridle,possibly they did the wing change over mid-boxing run. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j-basset Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Curt, Can't really explain it. I've accumulated 4-5 boxes of the orginal F-4E P3 Bataan boxing and all don't have the bumps. Hasegawa did release a limited edition of the F-4E in the late 90's called F-4E 'Sharkteeth' (or something like that) with the limited edition 4 digit kit number. This kit recycled the 3 TFW F-4E 'Bataan' painting from P3, and had decals for Bataan & a 31 TFW bird (67-0232) but has the new wings with the bumps. Just a shot in the dark though - perhaps you may have bought a kit from someone who may swapped out the contents with a newer kit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F4DPhantomII Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 I have a 30th Anniversary boxing available if anyone wants one.Cheers Mike B) Mike Is it with bumps on wings or no bumps.I am interested if it has no bumps.You can never have enough F-4E's and I have plenty of decals for them in the stash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F4DPhantomII Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 To those who have removed the bumps.What is your preferred way to remove them? I have tried the Dremel at low speed,sanding sticks after masking aroundd them and carving with X acto blade all with problems.I think I like the sanding stick the best but it takes about an hour with 400 grit. So what is best? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 To those who have removed the bumps.What is your preferred way to remove them? I have tried the Dremel at low speed,sanding sticks after masking aroundd them and carving with X acto blade all with problems.I think I like the sanding stick the best but it takes about an hour with 400 grit. So what is best? :) Seriously, I'd just start out with a coarse sanding stick, then work my way down to the finer grits as the bump disappeared. Takes more time, but it's easier to control how much plastic is removed. Using an Xacto runs the risk of gouging the plastic or removing large chunks of fingers. Ask me how I know! Cheers! Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Netz Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 As above, I'd take it down with what ever method is easiest, but once I got close to the surface of the wing I'd start to use files, you have much more control and minimal damage to the surface, riffler files are perfect of the final take down. Curt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F4DPhantomII Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 Thanks guys I'll pick up some riffler files today and some sanding sticks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Two Mikes Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 It does not have bumps if I recall. I will check tonight. Cheers Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F4DPhantomII Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 It does not have bumps if I recall. I will check tonight. CheersMike Let me know and what you are asking for it. Send me a pm.Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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