caudleryan Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Here's the full article. New build F-15's! I wonder if they are the Strike Eagle type or the fighter model.... Also, Blackhawks, Apaches, and others, I guess. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100913/ap_on_...saudi_arms_deal RYAN. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strikeeagle801 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 I think all of the fighter dies, molds, etc are long gone. My guess is that they will be either a new batch of F-15S like they have, or possibly an "upgrade" to F-15K/SG standards. One thing is for sure, with the F-15S's just switching over, they will be GE powered. Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Wouldn't imagine they would be buying the F-15C/D, as the Saudi's are currently taking delivery of Eurofighter Typhoons which are far superior. As said more than likely to F-15S's or maybe Silent Eagle's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richter111 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Not to start a which aircraft os best war, but the reputation of the F-15 exceeds anything anyone else can throw out at them moment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caudleryan Posted September 13, 2010 Author Share Posted September 13, 2010 (edited) I agree. But, I still wish there would be a new build F-15C/D model. RYAN. Edited September 13, 2010 by caudleryan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vesper Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 The C/D line is deader than Darth Vader, so the new moldy crows will be E based. Ves B) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Wouldn't imagine they would be buying the F-15C/D, as the Saudi's are currently taking delivery of Eurofighter Typhoons which are far superior. As said more than likely to F-15S's or maybe Silent Eagle's Not too sure about that one. I'd take a late model F-15C "Golden Eagle" with the AESA radar over a Typhoon anytime. Dogfighting capability is really cool but doesn't do you any good if you get an AMRAAM in the face from long range before you can lock on to your opponent. The C model is definitely getting up there but the current versions in USAF service have had some pretty impressive upgrades in the last few years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kei Lau Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Wouldn't imagine they would be buying the F-15C/D, as the Saudi's are currently taking delivery of Eurofighter Typhoons which are far superior. As said more than likely to F-15S's or maybe Silent Eagle's The BAE won the Saudi Eurofighter contract as the result of a birbery scandal. Otherwise, it lost every international competition to the F-15 Eagle. Price wise, the Eurofighter is situated between the F-15 Eagle and the F/A-18 Super Hornet. The Eurofighter already lost out in the first round of the Brazilian contest and is not the favorite in the Indian MMRCA competition. The Eurofighter is having a hard time keeping up with the SH. So, what makes it a "far superior" fighter? Saudi is an operator of both the Euro and the Eagle. One of the difference is that the Eagle already has an AESA radar that is operational and the Eurofighter's AESA is still in development and 2 years away. This may be one of the reason tipping the scale to the Eagle's favor. If you read the statement by the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington carefully, you know that the deal cannot be for the Silent Eagle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boman Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 It will be for the F-15S - an F-15E derivative. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paolo Maglio Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Boeing said there are no longer tools to build single seaters F-15. If a costumer want a single seater he will receive the same big canopy of a dual seater with a bang seat removed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4scourge7 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 It will be for more `S` models, there was a preamble to this a couple of weeks ago. Kei Lau- You may want to read the article you linked more closely as it relates to bribery in the 1980s, NOT the Typhoon buy. Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kei Lau Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) Kei Lau- You may want to read the article you linked more closely as it relates to bribery in the 1980s, NOT the Typhoon buy.Ian The original bribery was related to the Tornado fighter deal in the 80's. The scandal broke in the mid 2000, but the UK government killed a Serious Fraud Office (SFO) investigation under pressure from Saudi to continue the Eurofighter deal. The following is from the link in my earlier post. The dismissal of the case was done on the grounds of national security. It spurred immediate allegations, however, that the Government had buckled to pressure from the Saudis, who were in the midst of negotiating a new contract for 72 Eurofighter Typhoon jets. The deal is worth at least £20bn. The Saudis had also threatened to stop co-operating on terrorism intelligence with the British Government. In the wake of the decision, the OECD launched its own investigation into the claims. Ian - I don't know what Saudi government promised UK to terminate the investigatin. I feel it hard to argue that they are unrelated to the Eurofighter deal. The Eurofighter was designed to be an Agile fighter and fulfilled the objective very well. But today's fighter buyer countries are more interested in AESA radar and network centric that result in better BVR capability for future air warfare. They also want more stealth if they can afford it. Edited September 14, 2010 by Kei Lau Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4scourge7 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 The BAE won the Saudi Eurofighter contract as the result of a birbery scandal. Otherwise, it lost every international competition to the F-15 Eagle. The original bribery was related to the Tornado fighter deal in the 80's. That is what I was pointing out. So we agree then. Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vlamgat9 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Not too sure about that one. I'd take a late model F-15C "Golden Eagle" with the AESA radar over a Typhoon anytime. Dogfighting capability is really cool but doesn't do you any good if you get an AMRAAM in the face from long range before you can lock on to your opponent. The C model is definitely getting up there but the current versions in USAF service have had some pretty impressive upgrades in the last few years. Er, but Typhoon has AMRAAM itself? And will shortly have Meteor, which is probably the best non-Russian BVR missile there currently is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oroka Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Im still putting my money on the F-15SE for the new builds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Er, but Typhoon has AMRAAM itself? And will shortly have Meteor, which is probably the best non-Russian BVR missile there currently is. Correct but last time I checked, the effectiveness of the AMRAAM (or any BVR missile for that matter) is still directly related to the radar that is providing the initial detection, tracking and guidance. The AESA radar in the upgraded F-15C's appears to be far superior to anything currently flying in the Typhoon or even planned in the next few years. As far as the Meteor goes, you can have the best BVR missile in the world but if you don't have the radar and other kit to employ it to it's fullest, it doesn't count for as much. Ever wonder why Oman decided to opt out of that Typhoon purchase that the Brits previously announced in lieu of upgraded F-16's with AESA radars? It certainly wasn't because they are tight with money and trying to save a few $. Apparently in their view, an older design like the Falcon, with some modernized avionics must have an pretty significant advantage over the Typhoon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caudleryan Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 So, Will the designation be the F-15S? Will it be like their current F-15's or upgraded models? RYAN. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strikeeagle801 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 The more I think about it, the more I think they will be K/SG standards. Why would Saudi invest in "last year's model" (the F-15S) when "this year's model" (the F-15K/SG) is so much better? However, I think they will be K/SG rather than SE because of a certain middle-East country who will throw a tizzy fit if the Saudis get thier hands on anything consider LO/Stealth, even though they are in the running for the F-35. Just my thought. Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 S. Korea was just cleared to purchase F-15SEs if they so desire ... Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oroka Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) Israel reportedly OKs U.S.-Saudi arms deal lol US to sell Saudis F-15 fighter jets The US will sell Saudi Arabia F-15 fighter jets without long-range weapons and other advanced equipment as a result of Israeli pressure, the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday. Saudis Likely to Get F-15SG Edited September 14, 2010 by Oroka Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kei Lau Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 That is what I was pointing out.So we agree then. Ian It was never any question on what scandal this is. Many people believe that the Saudi buy of the Typhoon is part of a deal that UK cancelled a mid 2000 investigation of the 1980 era Tornado scandal. It is the later point that you missed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wizard_rkt Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Does this mean we will be having dogfights against our own equipment some day? Why is it that we end up fighting those we sell equipment to? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lock n' Load Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 They believe that what makes the Airforce/Navy an elite military group is the equipment and not who is behind them operating. So they believe they can defeat the US. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Does this mean we will be having dogfights against our own equipment some day?Why is it that we end up fighting those we sell equipment to? That happens when you sell to everyone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TXCajun Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Gee, why don't we just sell F-22's to the Taliban while we're at it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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