Kostucha Posted January 17, 2011 Author Share Posted January 17, 2011 MOST EXCELLENT! Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shawn M Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 argh...now how am I gonna go BACK in there and add those curtains..... :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
100th BG Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I don't think I'd worry about no steenkin curtains. :lol: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shawn M Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 but but but...i have the itch to scratch build something! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Prop Duster Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 but but but... i have the itch to scratch build something! Sure go a head. All you have to do is; just unscrew the scale bolts/screws from the cockpit window frames, remove them and then carefully remove the scale windows, after which you can just reach in with your scale fingers and add the scale curtains- which likely you sewed on your scale sewing machine - See? Simple! :lol: Good Luck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kostucha Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 You forgot the scale swearing and cursing when the first curtains are botched, and the scale tech who's ticked off that his scale Fort isn't ready to fly some scale missions - where as the scale crew is in the scale mess hall drinking a few more scale beers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-17 guy Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I got a question, anyone got pics of the radio room for a B-17D? I'm trying to figure out how to replicate this area, amd dont have a spare set of the monogram radio room parts to put into the revell F kit to at least give me something to work with. Plus I honestly just dont know how differant it was compared to all the big tailed forts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-17 guy Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/photos/me...b-17&page=1 This link has lots of good pics in here, page 11 has interior pics of the model 299!!!!!!! I've never seen those pics. I recomend this link for refference no matter what fort you are building. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-17 guy Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Found this http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/...=15&t=25311 This guy is doing the B-17D kit I'm doing but using the G kit instead, AND backdating it still farther to the Y1B-17! Very impressive work. Also the forum itself is a gold mine for refference pics! I registered! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-17 guy Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Check this out, found this on the WIX site, kits world has made a decal sheet of the B-17 cast from the memphis bell movie. Pretty cool, my I was looking at this with my 8yo looking over my shoulder, he was telling me I have to build those (one of his favorite movies), all of them! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shawn M Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Sure go a head. All you have to do is; just unscrew the scale bolts/screws from the cockpit window frames, remove them and then carefully remove the scale windows, after which you can just reach in with your scale fingers and add the scale curtains- which likely you sewed on your scale sewing machine - See? Simple! Good Luck ZING! well played Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-17 guy Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Cool videos Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-17 guy Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 2 more....get some popcorn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shawn M Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 ZING! well played Quote Link to post Share on other sites
100th BG Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 A small detail for those of you getting further along. On the lower aft fuselage, there were three Identification lights. While most model instructions show them located on the centerline of the aircraft, they were in fact located to the right of center as shown in this picture taken from the "Memphis Belle" documentary: Little hard to see, but FYI... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kostucha Posted January 23, 2011 Author Share Posted January 23, 2011 I love when you post information like that - it's Christmas all over again! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shawn M Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 thank god mine didn't have those...and Im stickin' to it. You guys already got me to add curtains :unsure: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigasshammm Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) Alright a call to research buffs.... Still researching my grandfather with what little time I can muster. I have yet to get my hands on the pictures since my ***** sister who doesn't have anything to do with them stole my idea of scanning them all and took them from my mother. My uncle won't give up the log book he has so I have to go over there and copy it by hand. UGH Anyway I'm pretty certain that he was in the 482nd Bomb Group 813th Squadron. But I can't find crew lists anywhere. If anyone knows how I can find this information let me know. I'm looking for S/sgt Roy H Baine. He would have been a waist gunner on a 17. Between 1943-1945 Kris Edited January 24, 2011 by Bigasshammm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flak88 Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Hi, need some help: Anyone have any bigger photo of this Fort, please? I'd like to close examine the nose art. It's the B-17F 42-5836, of the 301st and later 2nd BG, based in southern Italy. Any help is very appreciated! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigasshammm Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 OK so I need to find out more information on this bird. I'm not 100% certain on how the tail numbers correlate to the serial numbers. So should this be 42-107172? I think that's too many numbers for the serial but 2107172 is whats on the tail. Or is it just supposed to be 42-10717 and the 2 that's on the rudder is for something else? There are a couple of serial numbers on some of the photos that I have of targets being bombed but one of them is to a B-24 "Shoo Shoo Baby" which was shot down. I'm not sure then if someone gave him that photo or what. The other number I can make out I can't get any info on. You can see on this picture the SN 42-51095 which references to the B-24 This one looks like 42-51059 which may be a misprint of the 42-51095 or may be a different craft but I can't find anything on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flak88 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 OK so I need to find out more information on this bird. I'm not 100% certain on how the tail numbers correlate to the serial numbers. So should this be 42-107172? I think that's too many numbers for the serial but 2107172 is whats on the tail. Or is it just supposed to be 42-10717 and the 2 that's on the rudder is for something else? Tail serial number is correct. It's B-17G-35-DL 42-107172 I believe it was shot down during ill-fated Memmingen mission on 18 July 1944, when 483rd lost 14 out of 26 airplanes. A photo of crashlanded B-17 that made back to Sterparone you posted before is also taken after this mission. Look: http://www.483rd.com/mmission.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigasshammm Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Ok this is eeery... This is my grandfather's picture that we have the original copy of... And this is on the 483rd BGs photo page... seen here. I've put in an email to the contact person of the site so we'll see if they get back with me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Army_Air_Force Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Never noticed before that the Y on the fin is repeated on the tops of the tailplanes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flak88 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Here's the story about that photo: This is indeed "Mizpah". Boeing B-17G-35-BO 42-32109 840th Bombardment Squadron of the 483rd Bombardment Group (15th Air Force). 14 July 1944. Damaged by flak, nose blown off, continued flying for about 10 minutes, crashed at Solt. Ewald Swanson crew, Berndt, Henderson, Dudley, Gramenzi, Simonelli, Hish, Bell, Kelley, Tucker. Henderson and Dudley were killed, the rest became POWs. (MACR 6901). from Grimm's Heroes of the 483rd: The name Mizpah was suggested by Joe Hendersons wife, Mary. The Biblical word means May the Lord watch over us while we are absent one from the other. Swanson and crew had just returned from a most enjoyable week on the Isle of Capriwhen they were shot down. The mission was to the Shell Oil Refinery in Budapest, Hungary, 14 July 1944. An 88mm shell exploded in the nose, causing it to peel up and over the cockpit, just missing the tail assembly. Henderson and Dudley were killed instantly. The back section of the plane filled with dense smoke and the five men in that section bailed out. Unbelievably, Swanson and Berndt kept the plane flying for about 10 minutes without instruments or windshield. Sub-zero weather and fear of stalling made it necessary for the three men up front to bail out. All eight survivors were captured. The officers were sent to Stalag Luft III, the enlisted men to Stalag Luft IV. The crew had flown about 38 to 40 missions. Robert W. R.W. Toombs, a waist gunner, flying with Bob Orton in B-17 42-109849, Joanne, in the number 5 position (Swanson was in the number 2 position) had his Kodak Brownie with him and took three photos of Mizpah as it slowly drifted out of formation. These are among the most celebrated combat photos of World War II. Edward Jablonski used one of the photos in his publication Flying Fortress, suggesting the pilot and co-pilot were carried off and the engineer wounded. Swanson, Berndt and Gramenzi were miraculously unhurt. Some crew members may have seen the famous photos of their plane in publications, but had no way of knowing it was their plane until they saw the photos in the Association archives. Mizpah was the only 15th Air Force bomber lost on this date, but Bob Goeslings plane also received a direct hit on this same mission. *Source: AAF Forum Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Prop Duster Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 The amount of bravery, of all those men flying all those missions, is incalculable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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