Hajo L. Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Hi all! I´m currently working on a HH-2D (or is a "C"? I´m not too sure). This is the progress so far: I have cut away the cabin slide door (well, it wasn´t a door, but will look like one when I´m done) on the left side. I´m afraid I cut the opening a bit too big, it´s not square as it should be. On the right side I extended the small window. I do have some pictures that show the HH-2 with a M-60 mounted in that window, but I doubt the usefulness of that mount: s soon as you open up the main slide door, it will slide backwards and block the firing position - in a situation, where you propably need the firepower! So I will mount my M-60 on the right side in the forward opeing. This woul still mean that the gun will be in the way when doing winch-ops, but well... Overall I have the feeling the design is not that well suited for a CSAR-bird. And as last current picture: The interior: HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thatguy96 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I´m currently working on a HH-2D (or is a "C"? I´m not too sure). Depends on the time frame whether it would be C or a D. The CSAR aircraft in Vietnam would have been HH-2Cs, being replaced with HH-2Ds later. According to the official document detailing aircraft designations, the HH-2Ds should be easy to spot from their dual wheels and 4-bladed tail rotor. I wish I could help more with the weapons fit, but the H-2 series is one I have found little clear information on. Pictures from the Vietnam-era do show HH-2Cs with door guns, rather than at the window. I would imagine that a mount at the window would simply preclude using that door or alternately have an internal stowed position (such as many of the mounts on the H-3 series). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 Some progress. It´s one of these strange tasks where you think it will be hard and may take forever, and you don´t dare to start it at all. Then you grab your cutter, some plastic and "just do it", and it´s done within minutes and you´re simply relieved and satisfied. That´s what happened here when I scratched the gunner (from a ground crew figure of Preiser) and added an arm to the pilot. Now he´s perfectly fitting with the stick. HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 We´re moving on! Added another armor plate for the gunner and of course the crew has now taken a seat: The other side, I made a slide-door using a piece of paper. The Co-pilot got a map to navigate around the known SAM-sites and FLAK-nests. This is where the other gunner will have his place: And here is the other gunner, I used another Preiser-figure of the modern Luftwaffe ground crew set. The M60 is of Roco Minitanks, although in 1/87 scale, it fits perfect in 1/72, so it´s propably to big for the intended use with 1/87 models... HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobrahistorian Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Depends on the time frame whether it would be C or a D. The CSAR aircraft in Vietnam would have been HH-2Cs, being replaced with HH-2Ds later. According to the official document detailing aircraft designations, the HH-2Ds should be easy to spot from their dual wheels and 4-bladed tail rotor.I wish I could help more with the weapons fit, but the H-2 series is one I have found little clear information on. Pictures from the Vietnam-era do show HH-2Cs with door guns, rather than at the window. I would imagine that a mount at the window would simply preclude using that door or alternately have an internal stowed position (such as many of the mounts on the H-3 series). HH-2Ds arrived off the coast of Vietnam in 1971. The -2C and -2D both had provision for the TAT-102 chin turret, but most photos I've seen of them have had the turret faired over. There was an incident where a -2D was coming in to land on a destroyer and when the pilot safed the weapons system, the minigun unloaded all of its remaining ammunition. Not a good thing. The visual difference between the HH-2C and HH-2D is the tail rotor. Other than that, the C model has twinned main wheels as well. When they added the second engine in the C model, they beefed up the landing gear to accomodate the additional weight. Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thatguy96 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 HH-2Ds arrived off the coast of Vietnam in 1971. The -2C and -2D both had provision for the TAT-102 chin turret, but most photos I've seen of them have had the turret faired over. There was an incident where a -2D was coming in to land on a destroyer and when the pilot safed the weapons system, the minigun unloaded all of its remaining ammunition. Not a good thing. It seems that Emerson's various offerings were too fragile and complicated for the Vietnam environment. I didn't know the HH-2D also had the provisions for the TAT-102K. Thanks for that info. The visual difference between the HH-2C and HH-2D is the tail rotor. Other than that, the C model has twinned main wheels as well. When they added the second engine in the C model, they beefed up the landing gear to accomodate the additional weight. Jon This picture shows a UH-2C with single wheeled landing gear. It would suggest it was the weight of the armor and weapons on the HH-2C necessitated the dual wheels as can be seen in the pictures of the HH-2Cs here. This was then carried over to the H-2D variants. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobrahistorian Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 It seems that Emerson's various offerings were too fragile and complicated for the Vietnam environment. I didn't know the HH-2D also had the provisions for the TAT-102K. Thanks for that info.This picture shows a UH-2C with single wheeled landing gear. It would suggest it was the weight of the armor and weapons on the HH-2C necessitated the dual wheels as can be seen in the pictures of the HH-2Cs here. This was then carried over to the H-2D variants. Ah, yes! I forgot about that pic (got it in my HH-2 file too!). If I remember correctly, that particular bird was on HC-1's first combat deployment with the HH-2C. The three propeller symbols on the door were combat rescues. Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 The second gunner is finished! Here pictured with the slide-door: I also finished the mount for the TAT-102. HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arkhunter2002 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Looks good. Where'd you find the PE .30 cal ammo? Take care, Austin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 That´s photo-etched stuff made by a fellow (=german) modeller for his 1/87 scale tanks. Don´t know if he´s still selling those. HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarathi S. Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Hello, where did you get the Minitanks set for the machine guns? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted January 17, 2011 Author Share Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) On our local exhibition... Check the helo-forum for the "Looking for M60s"-thread, I think someone found a proper dealer in there. Got it: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....howtopic=223554 HAJO Edited January 17, 2011 by Hajo L. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarathi S. Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I see, thanks. However, one small problem the choice of machine gun poses for your build is that the gun is actually a Mk. 43 Mod 1, which is a modern special operations modification of the M60, and was not fielded until the 1990s. But that's your choice. Just pointing that out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thatguy96 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) I see, thanks. However, one small problem the choice of machine gun poses for your build is that the gun is actually a Mk. 43 Mod 1, which is a modern special operations modification of the M60, and was not fielded until the 1990s. But that's your choice. Just pointing that out. It actually looks very much like a standard M60 without the bipod. You could probably just add some putty over the barrel on top and it would be fine. I also think that "grip" is actually a piece of sprue still be to cut off. It'd be way too far back to be the vertical forward grip on the E3 or E4/Mk 43 either way. Edited January 18, 2011 by thatguy96 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarathi S. Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 It might be a piece of sprue, but the Mk. 43 Mod 1 does not have an integral forward grip like the M60E3, E4, and Mk. 43 Mod 0. The grip has been replaced by a rail interface system. But as I said, if Hajo wishes to modify it, he can. It's not that big a deal. I was just pointing out the fact. It does look similar, though. I just noticed it in passing due to the "forward grip." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 That´s indeed a piece of sprue, it´s the part that usually works a pin mountle for the MG. I kept it to use it as "mount" in the door as well. I made a short barreled M60 with forward grip once as armament for my SEAL-team: http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/14-sch...t-eigenbau.html I´d love to post some better pictures of the boat, but it´s at my parents place. Otherwise I´d be able to show you that the M60 used in the HH-2 still is a bit longer than a "Shorty M60". HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarathi S. Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 That is an amazing SOC-R. Very nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 Sorry, I owe you an update and pictures of the just finished model. Here is the latest picture while still in progress: The chin-turret is from a Matchbox Cobra, the minigun will be coming from an Italeri HH-53-kit. And the finished model, I had to change the aft gear position, it´s sitting more aft than at the usual SH-2F. And some details: HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Nice work! Cheers, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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